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<M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:mbcom2p2ur9q1i4sd4kne46st1ngfj2n93@4ax.com[color=blue]
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:14:40 +0000, B <Á@> wrote:
>
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> > I suspect for many around here they use VOIP because
> > they enjoy configuring ATAs. Once VOIP gets established
> > as a mainstream service with equipment that works out
> > of the box they'll move on to playing with another new
> > technology.[/color]
>
> Now that is the trouble to many people in the world
> fiddling with stuff they know precious little about one
> day there will be a big bang and we shall all go to hell .
> Adding everything up there really isn't much to be saved
> if you need to have a BT line for Internet connection[/color]

There's the cost of all those line rentals if you want several numbers. I
have 8 numbers here in addition to the BT line and there's only the BT
rental to pay (oh and the £4/month for the Gradwell number) so all in all
quite a bit saved.

Ivor

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:12:58 GMT, [email]M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk[/email] wrote:
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>£ 7.00 a month for Vonage against £ 11.00 for BT a saving of a fiver a
>month for starters so I suppose that fiver is actually wasted in your
>eyes not saved .[/color]

I'm sorry I bothered to reply to you. You are clearly too stupid to
discuss it with.

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:14:40 +0000, B <Á@> wrote:
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>I suspect for many around here they use VOIP because they enjoy
>configuring ATAs.[/color]

I configured the ATA when I got it, I suppose. Can't remember doing
it, but I must have done. Since then, what configuring is there to do?

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:31:33 +0000, [email]hairydog@despammed.com[/email] said in
article <hc3pm21bivhdslcq16ah1asoskpjgd0b3m@4ax.com>:
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>On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:14:40 +0000, B <Á@> wrote:
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>>I suspect for many around here they use VOIP because they enjoy
>>configuring ATAs.[/color]
>
>I configured the ATA when I got it, I suppose. Can't remember doing
>it, but I must have done.[/color]

I configured mine a few years back. It took about a month to do.
Before you suggest that it was my own fault it took so long, I should
add that pretty much everyone else around here in those days took
equally long to learn the black art.
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>Since then, what configuring is there to do?[/color]

None apart from if you change your providers or buy new equipment.
Because of the hassle configuring it first time, I tend to stick with
the providers I have as I can't be arsed to go through the
configuration pain again. On the other hand if a new provider supplies
me an out-of-the-box solution I' might be more inclined to try their
service.

VoIP is not unlike the situation we had 15 or so years ago with
networking computers together. You had to go on a week's course to
learn about networking and then back at the office you juggled lots of
wires and parameters around to get the stuff working. Nowadays you
just buy a PC, plug in the ethernet cable and it all works out of the
box.

When VoIP becomes mature, the suppliers of this equipment and services
will hopefully realise that it is ridiculous to offer users equipment
with so many parameters that needs panels of experts on
uk.telecom.voip and elsewhere to guide beginners through the maze
Users will want stuff that works right away without all this set-up
hassle or having to wade through uk.telecom.voip or other forums.

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:31:33 +0000, [email]hairydog@despammed.com[/email] wrote:
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>On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:12:58 GMT, [email]M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk[/email] wrote:
>[color=green]
>>£ 7.00 a month for Vonage against £ 11.00 for BT a saving of a fiver a
>>month for starters so I suppose that fiver is actually wasted in your
>>eyes not saved .[/color]
>
>I'm sorry I bothered to reply to you. You are clearly too stupid to
>discuss it with.[/color]
I am only sorry I let you out of my kill file but you will be back in
very shortly I DO NOT suffer stupid arrogant fools that think they
know it all when in fact they know BUGGER ALL .
By the way sonny have you done your homework yet .

<M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I am only sorry I let you out of my kill file but you
> will be back in very shortly I DO NOT suffer stupid
> arrogant fools that think they know it all when in fact
> they know BUGGER ALL .[/color]

Pot, kettle, black..............

Ivor

PS PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE put me in your killfile, Ron..!

Ivor Jones wrote:
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>> Adding everything up there really isn't much to be saved
>> if you need to have a BT line for Internet connection[/color]
>
> There's the cost of all those line rentals if you want several numbers. I
> have 8 numbers here in addition to the BT line and there's only the BT
> rental to pay (oh and the £4/month for the Gradwell number) so all in all
> quite a bit saved.[/color]

Indeed. If usage is high enough there are significant savings to be had.
Just by implementing VOIP in the shop I have been able to give our card
terminal it's own dedicated line (telewest) instead of sharing it with a
phone by adding 2 additional VOIP lines at no extra cost other than the
router which needed upgrading any way.

Call savings I have yet to verify, but as an example I was using
talktalk on their talk3 tarif which, as a significant amount of our
calls were to mobiles, there will be enough of a saving each month to
cover the line rental of the BT line. Also not forking out for the £10
or whatever for the Talk3 (unlimited national calls) will cover the
rental of the Telewest phone line.

Currently all calls still come in on BT so no problems with calls
dropping out.

Admittedly, your average single line user wouldn't significantly
benefit, but anyone with teenagers in the house could benefit hugely by
having an extra line or 2 with cheap calls.

I am a convert already and it's only been 2 days.

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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:59:51 GMT, "Pet @ [url]www.gymratz.co.uk[/url] ;¬)"
<PeTe33@gymratz.co.uk> wrote:

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>Indeed. If usage is high enough there are significant savings to be had.[/color]
My case rests I only use voip because I do not like BT or Telewest for
phone service where I forced to have a landline I would not entertain
VOIP . I have a line from voipfone and one from Vonage which cost me
ten pounds a month I could manage without the voipfone account but the
call back mobile service saves me pounds in mobile calls during
weekdays .

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:42:16 GMT, [email]M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk[/email] said in
article <rokrm2lr8bjmje1r329evr3s32rtj9o8fo@4ax.com>:

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>I could manage without the voipfone account but the
>call back mobile service saves me pounds in mobile calls during
>weekdays .[/color]

What is call back mobile service and how does it work?

On 2006-11-29, B <Á@> wrote:
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> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:42:16 GMT, [email]M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk[/email] said in
> article <rokrm2lr8bjmje1r329evr3s32rtj9o8fo@4ax.com>:
>
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>>I could manage without the voipfone account but the
>>call back mobile service saves me pounds in mobile calls during
>>weekdays .[/color]
>
> What is call back mobile service and how does it work?[/color]

While you are waiting for someone to give a detailed reply you could
query a search engine. Unless you do not have access to a browser, of
course. 'callback' is an alternative spelling to use.

Brian.