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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:23:47 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

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>The power failure to which I
>refer was caused by a freight aircraft crashing into power lines and
>taking out a large portion of the local grid.[/color]
Couldn't happen here all our power supply cables are under ground I
need to travel around four miles in three directions and must be about
six in the other before seeing any power cables strung up on poles.

<M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:23:47 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
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> > The power failure to which I
> > refer was caused by a freight aircraft crashing into
> > power lines and taking out a large portion of the local
> > grid.[/color]
> Couldn't happen here all our power supply cables are
> under ground I need to travel around four miles in three
> directions and must be about six in the other before
> seeing any power cables strung up on poles.[/color]

The crash was just outside Coventry, over 10 miles away and was into
ultra-high voltage long distance distribution lines. As I said, a large
proportion of the local grid went out. Not many 400kV lines are
underground.

Ivor

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:13:33 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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>So get a UPS. Anyone with sense will have one anyway to keep their
>computer and other equipment that may be required in the event of a mains
>failure.[/color]

Completely agree. I have a relatively cheap low capacity UPS which
will keep my ADSL modem, pap2, WiFi access point and DECT base station
going for over 24 hours in the event of a mains failure.

Silly not to, IMHO.

In the last two years my VOIP system has been as reliable as my fixed
phone line.



Woo.

"Mr Woo" <me2@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:13:33 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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>>So get a UPS. Anyone with sense will have one anyway to keep their
>>computer and other equipment that may be required in the event of a mains
>>failure.[/color]
>
> Completely agree. I have a relatively cheap low capacity UPS which
> will keep my ADSL modem, pap2, WiFi access point and DECT base station
> going for over 24 hours in the event of a mains failure.
>
> Silly not to, IMHO.
>
> In the last two years my VOIP system has been as reliable as my fixed
> phone line.[/color]


Why is it silly not to? There are more than one way to protect yourself
against the consequences of a power failure. Which one suits best
to one person may not be optimal for another.
divoch

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:33:52 +0000, Mr Woo <me2@privacy.net> wrote:

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>Completely agree. I have a relatively cheap low capacity UPS which
>will keep my ADSL modem, pap2, WiFi access point and DECT base station
>going for over 24 hours in the event of a mains failure.[/color]
For business I would agree but just for keeping systems operating
24/7 purely for pleasure purposes and even phone services that are not
used in connection with any business interests I consider a UPS an OTT
complete waste of money .
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>In the last two years my VOIP system has been as reliable as my fixed
>phone line.[/color]
Ah so you are one for wasting money why have VOIP when you have a
fixed line service there really is no need to have both services when
there are services available for calls that are no more expensive than
VIOP on fixed line. Especially when you take into account that you
need to provide and pay for the electricity to run either an ATA or a
computer and a head set .

<M.Dexte@blueyonder.co.ukr> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:33:52 +0000, Mr Woo
> <me2@privacy.net> wrote:[/color]

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> > In the last two years my VOIP system has been as
> > reliable as my fixed phone line.[/color][/color]
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> Ah so you are one for wasting money why have VOIP when
> you have a fixed line service there really is no need to
> have both services when there are services available for
> calls that are no more expensive than VIOP on fixed line.
> Especially when you take into account that you need to
> provide and pay for the electricity to run either an ATA
> or a computer and a head set .[/color]

You are as usual completely missing the point. One of the advantages of
VoIP is additional phone numbers without additional physical lines having
to be installed. Everyone in this house has their own dedicated phone
number for incoming calls, as well as those lines dedicated for outgoing
calls.

VoIP isn't just about saving money.


Ivor

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:09:20 GMT, [email]M.Dexte@blueyonder.co.ukr[/email] wrote:
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>Ah so you are one for wasting money why have VOIP when you have a
>fixed line service[/color]

Perhaps this is why most of what you write about VOIP is such utter
rubbish. You seem to think that VOIP is a way to save money.

Sorry, but that's simply not true. Yes, VOIP is fairly price
competitive, but for most people, it save so little money that that's
not good reason to use it. For us, the reasons for using VOIP are all
about facilities and services, not saving money.

You may think that paying a few quid for a cheap UPS is a waste of
money, but I don't agree. Even if we didn't have a computer at all,
I'd still want the cordless phones and answering machine to stay
powered up. The cost of a small UPS is very low.

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:34:27 +0000, [email]hairydog@despammed.com[/email] wrote:

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>Perhaps this is why most of what you write about VOIP is such utter
>rubbish. You seem to think that VOIP is a way to save money.[/color]
£ 7.00 a month for Vonage against £ 11.00 for BT a saving of a fiver a
month for starters so I suppose that fiver is actually wasted in your
eyes not saved .[color=blue]
>Sorry, but that's simply not true. Yes, VOIP is fairly price
>competitive, but for most people, it save so little money that that's
>not good reason to use it.[/color]
I happen to think that even being able to save 50 p a month on
something our other is an excellent reason to use anything never mind
a fiver in the case of Vonage .[color=blue]
>For us, the reasons for using VOIP are all
>about facilities and services, not saving money.[/color]
Vonage offer the same services and facilities has others do but I do
not use any of them not even voicemail and regarding voicemail if I
call someone and a voicemail service answers the phone goes down
I like to speak to people not machines .[color=blue]
>You may think that paying a few quid for a cheap UPS is a waste of
>money, but I don't agree. Even if we didn't have a computer at all,
>I'd still want the cordless phones and answering machine to stay
>powered up. The cost of a small UPS is very low.[/color]
Oh yes the cost of these are very low but what the hell use is this
when the battery only gives 20 minutes of use .
"Thanks to the new PowerSure Personal XT you can have continuous
cost-effective power protection in your office or home. It is
specifically designed to protect PCs, Workstations, Network Nodes and
also Fax, Scanners and Audio/Video equipment. If the mains supply
fails or moves outside an acceptable level, the PowerSure Personal XT
offers up to 20 minutes of battery back up (depending on the actual
load), giving ample time to protect the equipment and save files
through Liebert’s WEB based Multilink Software."
I wouldn't give it house room I mean they say giving ample time to
back up files etc so if the power goes down at 3 am is the damned
thing going to come and wake you up or something .[color=blue]
> paying a few quid for a cheap UPS[/color]
Your words not mine 37 quid cheap enough for you and totally useless.
Besides which all my important files are backed up at least four times
during the course of any evening. I just do not have any use at all
for a UPS offer me the best one money can buy and I would not have it
in the house because I have no use for one .

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:34:27 +0000, [email]hairydog@despammed.com[/email] said in
article <tbglm21s8uh6sh995npc9qa2kj5n9dld53@4ax.com>:
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>Sorry, but that's simply not true. Yes, VOIP is fairly price
>competitive, but for most people, it save so little money that that's
>not good reason to use it. For us, the reasons for using VOIP are all
>about facilities and services, not saving money.[/color]

I suspect for many around here they use VOIP because they enjoy
configuring ATAs. Once VOIP gets established as a mainstream service
with equipment that works out of the box they'll move on to playing
with another new technology.

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:14:40 +0000, B <Á@> wrote:

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>I suspect for many around here they use VOIP because they enjoy
>configuring ATAs. Once VOIP gets established as a mainstream service
>with equipment that works out of the box they'll move on to playing
>with another new technology.[/color]

Now that is the trouble to many people in the world fiddling with
stuff they know precious little about one day there will be a big bang
and we shall all go to hell .
Adding everything up there really isn't much to be saved if you need
to have a BT line for Internet connection