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<M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:13:33 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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> > So get a UPS. Anyone with sense will have one anyway to
> > keep their computer and other equipment that may be
> > required in the event of a mains failure.[/color]
> And people are going to have buy this that and the other
> to use VOIP they may just get a BT line and use cheap
> override companies for calls UPS Indeed do you think
> people are made of money or something Ivor .[/color]

VoIP isn't just about saving money.

Ron, you are always saying things worth having are worth paying for. My
computers, the data on them and my phone service are worth having. The
words pot, kettle and black spring to mind.

Anyway, anyone with any sense will have a UPS on their computer, what will
you do when the mains fails half way through saving an important file and
the resultant sudden stop corrupts your hard drive..? That happened to me
ONCE many years ago on a DOS machine, it took me three days to rebuild the
file structure and recover what I could of the missing files.

Never again.

Get a UPS, you know it makes sense.


Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> Anyway, anyone with any sense will have a UPS on their computer, what will
> you do when the mains fails half way through saving an important file and
> the resultant sudden stop corrupts your hard drive..? That happened to me
> ONCE many years ago on a DOS machine, it took me three days to rebuild the
> file structure and recover what I could of the missing files.
>
> Never again.
>
> Get a UPS, you know it makes sense.[/color]


I do not think many home users will have UPS at home just to backup a home
computer.
If you backup your important files regularly to an external hard drive you
will not
loose much if your computer hard drive fails which also happened to me. I
can live once in
quite a few years with retyping one or two documents I have just done and
lost.

divoch

"divoch" <divoch@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I do not think many home users will have UPS at home just
> to backup a home computer.[/color]

It all depends on how much you value your time and/or data. I will tell
you this, though. Sooner or later, if you don't take all the steps you can
to safeguard your systems, you *will* regret it. A UPS is belt and braces,
but sometimes one of the two will fail and your trousers will fall down..!
[color=blue]
> If you backup your important files regularly to an
> external hard drive you will not
> loose much if your computer hard drive fails which also
> happened to me. I can live once in
> quite a few years with retyping one or two documents I
> have just done and lost.[/color]

If it's just data, then possibly. I lost half the system files of a very
important program that was involved in networking together several other
machines across the country. Data flow on the link was out for three days.

As I said, never again.

Your risk, your decision, but don't blame me if you make the wrong one.


Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> "divoch" <divoch@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:iWM6h.32944$TH3.10771@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net
>
> [snip][color=green]
>> If you backup your important files regularly to an
>> external hard drive you will not
>> loose much if your computer hard drive fails which also
>> happened to me. I can live once in
>> quite a few years with retyping one or two documents I
>> have just done and lost.[/color]
>
> If it's just data, then possibly. I lost half the system files of a very
> important program that was involved in networking together several other
> machines across the country. Data flow on the link was out for three days.
>
> As I said, never again.
>
> Your risk, your decision, but don't blame me if you make the wrong one.[/color]

In your particular case the belt and braces approach may well be justified.
However, I would guess, that out of those people who are interested in and
would benefit from VOIP very few would actually need to go that far before
considering VOIP.
In my case, for example, all the data is regularly backed up and all the
programs I have either on CDs or can be downloaded again. It is pain
when the hard drive fails but it is "only" my time to get it all back
together.
As I am retired now I can afford to "waist" few hours to do just that.
divoch

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:46:11 GMT, divoch wrote:
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>As I am retired now I can afford to "waist" few hours to do just that.[/color]

By how much has your waist increased in size since retiring?

"Podgy" <"=?x-user-defined?Q? Þ @ Þ ?="> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:46:11 GMT, divoch wrote:
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>>As I am retired now I can afford to "waist" few hours to do just that.[/color]
>
> By how much has your waist increased in size since retiring?
>[/color]
Face is red but waist is still OK.
divoch

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:39:02 GMT, "divoch"
<divoch@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote:
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><M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:11:22 GMT, "divoch"
>> <divoch@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>>"Polly" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>>>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:22:37 GMT, divoch postulated:
>>>
>>>> I don't know what you mean by "NTL, does not allow their customers to
>>>> call VOIP specific numbers."
>>>>
>>>
>>>I believe the specific VOIP numbers start with 0560 ? These I cannot call
>>>from the NTL phone line.
>>>divoch[/color]
>> I do not understand what you are saying here I have three voip lines
>> each with an 01 code .[/color]
>
>As far as I know from my limited knowledge of the various services that
>some VOIP providers give out 0560.. numbers rather than standard
>geographic numbers and these cannot be called from NTL landlines
>divoch
>[/color]
You are correct in what you say here but for a small fee 1.99 pr month
in the case of voipfone.co.uk they provide a geo number plkus they
have a mobile call back service which enables calls from your mobile
to be much cheaper in fact nothing to call home providing you call on
your voipfone geo number .

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:44:45 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:


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>Ron, you are always saying things worth having are worth paying for. My
>computers, the data on them and my phone service are worth having. The
>words pot, kettle and black spring to mind.[/color]
Why don't you have all important data backed up on DVD's or memory
sticks I have all mine on two DVD's , in fact to be honest most of my
important stuff is backed up around four times at least.[color=blue]
>Anyway, anyone with any sense will have a UPS on their computer, what will
>you do when the mains fails half way through saving an important file and
>the resultant sudden stop corrupts your hard drive..?[/color]
Absolutely nothing Ivor plus over the last twenty years at least we
have never had a unscheduled mains failure, had the power cut a few
times but have always known the time and date well in advance of such
an happening .

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 23:57:46 GMT, [email]M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk[/email] wrote:
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> over the last twenty years at least we
>have never had a unscheduled mains failure[/color]

We've had about half a dozen in the last four years. Never had a
scheduled one in my entire lifetime.

<M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:44:45 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>[color=green]
> > Ron, you are always saying things worth having are
> > worth paying for. My computers, the data on them and my
> > phone service are worth having. The words pot, kettle
> > and black spring to mind.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Why don't you have all important data backed up on DVD's
> or memory sticks I have all mine on two DVD's , in fact
> to be honest most of my important stuff is backed up
> around four times at least.[/color]

So is mine now, but spending 3 days rebuilding a DOS system equates to
several weeks on current Windows platforms..! I do not wish to take the
risk. With a UPS, any mains failure won't affect the system at all, in
fact it will do an orderly controlled shutdown until power returns.
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> > Anyway, anyone with any sense will have a UPS on their
> > computer, what will you do when the mains fails half
> > way through saving an important file and the resultant
> > sudden stop corrupts your hard drive..?[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Absolutely nothing Ivor plus over the last twenty years
> at least we have never had a unscheduled mains failure,
> had the power cut a few times but have always known the
> time and date well in advance of such an happening .[/color]

Oh good. So you're telepathic as well, now..? The power failure to which I
refer was caused by a freight aircraft crashing into power lines and
taking out a large portion of the local grid. The pilots and three crew
died, by the way, in case you were wondering.

Ivor