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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:22:37 GMT, divoch postulated:
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>I am considering either switching to BT to get the benefits of a greater
>choice or possibly keeping NTL broadband and using VOIP.[/color]

One of the problems with VoIP is that if your broadband service is
down, you have no phone. Secondly, if you have a power cut you have no
phone either.

Finally, those concerned with security and privacy will need to be
aware that interception of your VoIP calls is relatively easy.
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>I do
>not see it as a clear cut right now but what puts me of VOIP is that,
>as far as I know, you still cannot call emergency services and that some
>operators, namely NTL, does not allow their customers to call VOIP
>specific numbers.[/color]

With Vonage you CAN call emergency services (provided your broadband
is working and you have electricity power).

I don't know what you mean by "NTL, does not allow their customers to
call VOIP specific numbers."


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Polly submitted this idea :[color=blue]
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:22:37 GMT, divoch postulated:
>[color=green]
>> I am considering either switching to BT to get the benefits of a greater
>> choice or possibly keeping NTL broadband and using VOIP.[/color]
>
> One of the problems with VoIP is that if your broadband service is
> down, you have no phone. Secondly, if you have a power cut you have no
> phone either.
>
> Finally, those concerned with security and privacy will need to be
> aware that interception of your VoIP calls is relatively easy.[/color]

Please explain in more detail.
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>> I do
>> not see it as a clear cut right now but what puts me off VOIP is that,
>> as far as I know, you still cannot call emergency services and that some
>> operators, namely NTL, does not allow their customers to call VOIP
>> specific numbers.[/color]
>
> With Vonage you CAN call emergency services (provided your broadband
> is working and you have electricity power).
>
> I don't know what you mean by "NTL, does not allow their customers to
> call VOIP specific numbers."[/color]

He means NTL telco have not enabled many of their exchanges to allow
its customers to call numbers beginning 0560. They have also indicated
they aren't going to.

It would have no bearing if he avoids a VSP that doesn't offer
geo-numbers.

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:13:39 GMT, Jono postulated:
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>Polly submitted this idea :[color=green]
>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:22:37 GMT, divoch postulated:[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Finally, those concerned with security and privacy will need to be
>> aware that interception of your VoIP calls is relatively easy.[/color]
>
>Please explain in more detail.[/color]

Do a web search on "voip security privacy" and you'll see the
potential for problems of eavesdropping or hijacking/routing of calls.


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"Polly" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:dnbkl25m6j1ps0demnukul1cdk7ufde841@4ax.com[color=blue]
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:22:37 GMT, divoch postulated:
>[color=green]
> > I am considering either switching to BT to get the
> > benefits of a greater choice or possibly keeping NTL
> > broadband and using VOIP.[/color]
>
> One of the problems with VoIP is that if your broadband
> service is down, you have no phone.[/color]

How often does your broadband go down..? Mine (Orange, was Wanadoo and
before that Freeserve) is extremely reliable. In 5 years I can count on
the fingers of one hand the number of times I've lost service. The longest
period was just under 24 hours and was caused by a major BT outage that
affected fixed lines as well.
[color=blue]
> Secondly, if you have
> a power cut you have no phone either.[/color]

So get a UPS. Anyone with sense will have one anyway to keep their
computer and other equipment that may be required in the event of a mains
failure.

What..? You don't have a UPS..? Oh dear.
[color=blue]
> Finally, those concerned with security and privacy will
> need to be aware that interception of your VoIP calls is
> relatively easy.[/color]

So is interception of fixed lines, particularly BT ones on overhead
wires..!
[color=blue][color=green]
> > I do
> > not see it as a clear cut right now but what puts me of
> > VOIP is that, as far as I know, you still cannot call
> > emergency services and that some operators, namely NTL,
> > does not allow their customers to call VOIP specific
> > numbers.[/color]
>
> With Vonage you CAN call emergency services (provided
> your broadband is working and you have electricity power).
>
> I don't know what you mean by "NTL, does not allow their
> customers to call VOIP specific numbers."[/color]

Nor do I. How do they know..?

FWIW, I for one don't use VoIP purely as a money saving excercise. I make
relatively few calls to PSTN numbers, I mainly call other VoIP users which
are free calls anyway. I am interested in the technology; right now I am
working with a friend in North Wales trying to set up an extension off his
Asterisk box, it's not easy but we're getting there and when it's finished
I will be able to link into a network connecting telephone enthusiasts'
electromechanical exchanges worldwide, using old GPO rotary dial
telephones..!

Ivor

"Polly" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:dnbkl25m6j1ps0demnukul1cdk7ufde841@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:22:37 GMT, divoch postulated:[/color]
[color=blue]
> I don't know what you mean by "NTL, does not allow their customers to
> call VOIP specific numbers."
>[/color]

I believe the specific VOIP numbers start with 0560 ? These I cannot call
from the NTL phone line.
divoch

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:07:33 +0000, Polly <me@privacy.net> wrote:
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>One of the problems with VoIP is that if your broadband service is
>down, you have no phone.[/color]

No, that's one of the benefits. When our phone line was down, it took
our broadband down with it. I was able to use a neighbour's WiFi to
get an internet connection to use the VOIP in the meantime.
[color=blue]
>econdly, if you have a power cut you have no
>phone either.[/color]

We have the modem/router, network switch, ATA and PABX plugged into a
UPS.
[color=blue]
>Finally, those concerned with security and privacy will need to be
>aware that interception of your VoIP calls is relatively easy.[/color]

But not as easily as with ordinary landlines.

"divoch" <divoch@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message
news:KYz6h.31584$TH3.696@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net[color=blue]
> "Polly" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:dnbkl25m6j1ps0demnukul1cdk7ufde841@4ax.com...[color=green]
> > On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:22:37 GMT, divoch postulated:[/color]
>[color=green]
> > I don't know what you mean by "NTL, does not allow
> > their customers to call VOIP specific numbers."
> >[/color]
>
> I believe the specific VOIP numbers start with 0560 ? These I cannot
> call from the NTL phone line.
> divoch[/color]

That's a known problem with NTL, they won't enable the number range. Their
choice. Your choice to get a VoIP number from someone who issues normal
numbers..!

Ivor

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:13:33 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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>So get a UPS. Anyone with sense will have one anyway to keep their
>computer and other equipment that may be required in the event of a mains
>failure.[/color]
And people are going to have buy this that and the other to use VOIP
they may just get a BT line and use cheap override companies for calls
UPS Indeed do you think people are made of money or something Ivor .

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:11:22 GMT, "divoch"
<divoch@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote:
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>
>"Polly" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>news:dnbkl25m6j1ps0demnukul1cdk7ufde841@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:22:37 GMT, divoch postulated:[/color]
>[color=green]
>> I don't know what you mean by "NTL, does not allow their customers to
>> call VOIP specific numbers."
>>[/color]
>
>I believe the specific VOIP numbers start with 0560 ? These I cannot call
>from the NTL phone line.
>divoch[/color]
I do not understand what you are saying here I have three voip lines
each with an 01 code .

<M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:vtnml2to0g3nkulf7rc74t1kuudf7bv7dl@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:11:22 GMT, "divoch"
> <divoch@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>>"Polly" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>news:dnbkl25m6j1ps0demnukul1cdk7ufde841@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:22:37 GMT, divoch postulated:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I don't know what you mean by "NTL, does not allow their customers to
>>> call VOIP specific numbers."
>>>[/color]
>>
>>I believe the specific VOIP numbers start with 0560 ? These I cannot call
>>from the NTL phone line.
>>divoch[/color]
> I do not understand what you are saying here I have three voip lines
> each with an 01 code .[/color]

As far as I know from my limited knowledge of the various services that
some VOIP providers give out 0560.. numbers rather than standard
geographic numbers and these cannot be called from NTL landlines
divoch