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Bypass wrote:[color=blue]
> David Cook wrote:
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>>
>> No problem, we have two. One is in our first floor home office hooked
>> upto an ethernet switch and broadband connection. The second is in our
>> ground floor lounge and is plugged into a wireless access point and
>> networked Tivo.
>>
>> A VOIP connection from my work laptop via wireless back to the work
>> PABX (IAX using Idefisk soft phone) has no degradation of quality and
>> no drop-outs. The powerline networking adapters do just simply work
>> plug-n-play.
>>[/color]
>
> David, are you using the Solwise adapters? What speed are they?
>
> If UK broadband is 'maxed out' at 8Mbps is there any need to get
> adapters greater than 14Mbps?[/color]

Bypass wrote:[color=blue]
>
> David, are you using the Solwise adapters? What speed are they?
>
> If UK broadband is 'maxed out' at 8Mbps is there any need to get
> adapters greater than 14Mbps?[/color]

We did have the 14Mbs adapters but on occasion copy multi-GB files from
the Tivo to archive TV content to DVD. We now have the 85Mbs adapters,
the 14 Mbs adapters were donated to my brother.

Like Wireless 14/85 Mbs is the theoretical performance with this
technology. Real world you are not going to achieve it. For the small
price differential I would buy the 85 Mbs devices, however for VOIP use
the 14 Mbs devices would be more than adequate if necessary.

Best regards
David Cook

David Cook wrote:[color=blue]
> Bypass wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> David, are you using the Solwise adapters? What speed are they?
>>
>> If UK broadband is 'maxed out' at 8Mbps is there any need to get
>> adapters greater than 14Mbps?[/color]
>
> We did have the 14Mbs adapters but on occasion copy multi-GB files from
> the Tivo to archive TV content to DVD. We now have the 85Mbs adapters,
> the 14 Mbs adapters were donated to my brother.
>
> Like Wireless 14/85 Mbs is the theoretical performance with this
> technology. Real world you are not going to achieve it. For the small
> price differential I would buy the 85 Mbs devices, however for VOIP use
> the 14 Mbs devices would be more than adequate if necessary.
>
> Best regards
> David Cook[/color]

Also don't forget that this is a shared bandwidth technology. The 85 Mbs
devices may help if you are going to run 3-4+ simultaneously. A good
approach could be to use a mixture.

Solwise would confirm but I believe that the 14 & 85 Mbs devices will
coexist and communicate with each other without the 14 Mbs devices
forcing the 85 Mbs devices to run at the slower speed. You could then
use 14 Mbs devices for pure internet access/VOIP connectivity, using the
85 Mbs devices for computers and other equipment that needed higher
local bandwidth.

> I'd be interested in any comments from people that have first hand[color=blue]
> experience of networking their PC's using the domestic wiring.
>
> I'm currently looking at this kit:
>
> [url]http://www.zyxel.co.uk/web/product_family_detail.php?PC1indexflag=20050804090200&CategoryGroupNo=PDCA2006017[/url]
>
> In my particular situation, I want to supply broadband to a
> refurbished barn, which is about 100m away from the main house. The
> barn takes it's electrical supply from the house.
>
> Since there is no land line to the barn, I would like to rely on VoIP.
>
> I like the solution in principle, but have concerns that every time
> you use an electrical appliance there will be some degradation of the
> quality of service?[/color]

I would suggest that you use a wireless network with directional antennae.
This will cost more but should be much more reliable and give much higher
speed.

Peter Crosland

On 2006-10-22 13:03:44 +0100, "Flyer" <me@privacy.net> said:
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>
> "Bypass" <user@example.net> wrote in message
> news:ruH_g.50507$pa.32976@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...[color=green]
>> David Cook wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> No problem, we have two. One is in our first floor home office hooked
>>> upto an ethernet switch and broadband connection. The second is in our
>>> ground floor lounge and is plugged into a wireless access point and
>>> networked Tivo.
>>>
>>> A VOIP connection from my work laptop via wireless back to the work
>>> PABX (IAX using Idefisk soft phone) has no degradation of quality and
>>> no drop-outs. The powerline networking adapters do just simply work
>>> plug-n-play.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> David, are you using the Solwise adapters? What speed are they?
>>
>> If UK broadband is 'maxed out' at 8Mbps is there any need to get
>> adapters greater than 14Mbps?[/color]
>
> BE currently supplies "upto" 24Meg via their LLU sites ;-)
> I think the 14Mbps kit is being succeeded by the 85 and higher, so may
> as well go for the 85's.
>
> P.[/color]

Yep, the 85 units work very well....and I'll be upgrading to the 200
units next month! :-)

[url]http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline-av.htm[/url]

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Tony <tonyh1nospam@hotair.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> Bypass <user@example.net> wrote on Sun, 22 Oct 2006 at 08:57:44:[color=green]
>> In my particular situation, I want to supply broadband to a
>> refurbished barn, which is about 100m away from the main house. The
>> barn takes it's electrical supply from the house.[/color]
>
> I'm successfully using the 14Mb/s Solwise units. My only concern is
> that you should check whether there is any sort of inductive unit
> between a socket in the house and a socket in the barn. A separate
> meter? A Residual Current Device (RCD)? Anything with inductance in
> series with the mains wiring will attenuate the Powerline signal. In
> my tests, they worked well between 2 mains rings, so only a couple of
> Miniature Circuit Breakers (MCBs) in between, but they failed with 2
> RCBs in between. Otherwise, I thoroughly recommend them.[/color]

I was going to raise the same concern, but Tony beat me to it.

You say that mains in the barn is supplied from the house, but you don't say
whether the barn has its own consumer unit. If it *has*, this solution may
not work. I'm sure I've read somewhere that this technology only works when
all the mains wiring comes off the *same* consumer unit (possibly by design
to prevent interference with the 1 in 3 of your neighbours on the same phase
as you). It may be as well to check with the supplier.
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:02:52 +0100, in uk.telecom.broadband , "Peter
Crosland" <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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>> I'd be interested in any comments from people that have first hand
>> experience of networking their PC's using the domestic wiring.[/color]
>
>I would suggest that you use a wireless network with directional antennae.
>This will cost more but should be much more reliable and give much higher
>speed.[/color]

Not necessarily. The newer powerline adapters are faster than 54G, and
less susceptible to interference. Plus you're not restricted about
where you can stick 'em.
--
Mark McIntyre

Mark McIntyre wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:02:52 +0100, in uk.telecom.broadband , "Peter
> Crosland" <g6jns@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> I'd be interested in any comments from people that have first hand
>>> experience of networking their PC's using the domestic wiring.[/color]
>> I would suggest that you use a wireless network with directional antennae.
>> This will cost more but should be much more reliable and give much higher
>> speed.[/color]
>
> Not necessarily. The newer powerline adapters are faster than 54G, and
> less susceptible to interference. Plus you're not restricted about
> where you can stick 'em.[/color]

They also provide a more consistent link with very little latency.
I've only tried using them with wiring that is on the same board though.

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:02:52 +0100, Peter Crosland postulated:
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>I would suggest that you use a wireless network with directional antennae.
>This will cost more but should be much more reliable and give much higher
>speed.[/color]

.... and what about security and privacy, never mind the ease of
setting the network up?


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"Polly" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:h5ppj2l59srtj7b93sjpfdt01427jq33nq@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:02:52 +0100, Peter Crosland postulated:
>[color=green]
>>I would suggest that you use a wireless network with directional antennae.
>>This will cost more but should be much more reliable and give much higher
>>speed.[/color]
>
> ... and what about security and privacy, never mind the ease of
> setting the network up?[/color]

Setting wireless security is actually easy and directional antenna also
reduce the risk of someone hacking in. Odds are the OP is in the middle of
nowhere so OK but in threory I could move in next door, plug in my powerline
adapter and might get access to your network.

Well worth warning though so I don't want to sound patronizing as many
people simply don't think about security. Line-of-site wireless also gives
good throughput, even with low gain antenna. It's those pesky walls inside
the house that cause the problems :-).

Waiting to read the OPs "thanks all, it worked" e-mail on whichever route he
chooses ;-).

Paul DS