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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:21:59 GMT, Daviey
<daviey.walker@virginSPAM.network> wrote:

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> Although he moans at you on every opportunity -[/color]
Of course I do and with good reason and I would do the same with
anyone else who like Ivor was incessantly ramming a provider down
everyone's throats here, plus his incessant going on about spammers
which only serves to incite spammers to spam more and more but Ivor is
so thick he can't see this .[color=blue]
>If Dexter left, you would find somebody else to have these childish
>squabbles with![/color]
There is nothing childish about someone who has a go at a person who
persuades him to sign up with an outfit only to find that the company
is not worth wasting bandwidth on .
I have one or two favorite providers but I am not always coming here
and saying how good they are and persuading people to sign up with
them unlike Ivor .[color=blue]
>cybuerke - look for a well respected brand, don't attempt to revive some
>unknown brand. It may be a bargain and be cheap but it will give you
>lots of hassle![/color]
Cheap always proves to be nasty Sipgate being a damn good example with
regards to voip one is much better paying a few quid a month service
charge and getting most calls free .

<M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:u47ai29rfq6m6k88lc6idp3d8lqdmcckpv@4ax.com[color=blue]
> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:21:59 GMT, Daviey
> <daviey.walker@virginSPAM.network> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
> > Although he moans at you on every opportunity -[/color]
> Of course I do and with good reason and I would do the
> same with anyone else who like Ivor was incessantly
> ramming a provider down everyone's throats here, plus his
> incessant going on about spammers which only serves to
> incite spammers to spam more and more but Ivor is so
> thick he can't see this .[/color]

I don't ram Sipgate down anybody's throat - show me a post where I have
done this. I have recommended them and will continue to do so, but that
isn't "ramming down throats" as you put it.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > If Dexter left, you would find somebody else to have
> > these childish squabbles with![/color]
> There is nothing childish about someone who has a go at a
> person who persuades him to sign up with an outfit only
> to find that the company is not worth wasting bandwidth
> on .[/color]

To *you* - not to everybody. I'd be willing to bet Sipgate has far more
satisfied customers than not, or they wouldn't still be in business.
[color=blue]
> I have one or two favorite providers but I am not always
> coming here and saying how good they are and persuading
> people to sign up with them unlike Ivor .[/color]

How many times have you mentioned Vonage recently then..?
[color=blue][color=green]
> > cybuerke - look for a well respected brand, don't
> > attempt to revive some unknown brand. It may be a
> > bargain and be cheap but it will give you lots of
> > hassle![/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Cheap always proves to be nasty Sipgate being a damn good
> example with regards to voip one is much better paying a
> few quid a month service charge and getting most calls
> free .[/color]

Sounds like an oxymoron to me. Or maybe just moron.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:
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> Ask yourself two questions; One - personal conflicts aside, which one
> of us has, in the time this group has existed (and remember who was
> responsible for the group's creation in the first place) been of more
> use..?[/color]

I don't know the answer to that. Since it's you that's doing the asking,
presumably the answer you expect is 'Ivor Jones'. Does that mean that you
consider yourself to be more worthy? Might that be part of the problem?
[color=blue]
> Two, do you really expect me to sit back and let myself be abused in
> public without responding..?
>
>
> Ivor[/color]

Are you able to put your hand on your heart and tell me that your responses have
been worthwhile? It doesn't seem that way to me.

Try not responding, and see what happens. I promise you that I for one won't
think any the less of you.

linker3000 wrote:[color=blue]
> cybuerke wrote:[/color]
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>> Gawd, what have I done? Only set 'em both off again, innit?
>>
>> Sorry folks. <Gob zip on>
>>
>>[/color]
> LOL!
>
> ... new around here aren't you!?[/color]

Freshish. The trouble is, they both have valid advice to give. If only they'd
stay in different corners of the playground at break time, they'd earn so much
more respect from the silent majority.

(Me being one of those of course)

On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:45:18 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

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>I don't ram Sipgate down anybody's throat - show me a post where I have
>done this. I have recommended them and will continue to do so, but that
>isn't "ramming down throats" as you put it.
>[/color]
Course it is and I will continue to rubbish them with very good reason
every time you recommend them here or anywhere else ,if Sipgate
offered just one thing that made them worthy of anyone's
recommendation then I would be silent but they HAVEN'T .
Ivor can you answer yes to the following questions........
Do Sipgate offer 24/7 support even by email including a reply from
them 24/7? .
Are customers able to contact them by telephone at anytime of the day
or night?
Do they offer FREE calls to ANY 01 or 02 numbers in the UK or to the
rest of Europe has many providers do?.
Do they offer a good and realizable voicemail ?.[color=blue]
>To *you* - not to everybody. I'd be willing to bet Sipgate has far more
>satisfied customers than not, or they wouldn't still be in business.[/color]
Many uk people including yourself it would seem will put up with
anything or service any company is prepared to give/sell to them
and I don't men just telephone service provision .[color=blue]
>How many times have you mentioned Vonage recently then..?[/color]
Not all that many Ivor they are not top of my list I had never even
given them a thought since leaving some time ago until Free Talk sold
out to them but that isn't to say they do not give value for money
because they do and they do offer everything like other providers do
that Sipgate DON'T .
voiphone.co.uk is top of my list has been for many months if only for
their mobile call back service if nothing else .

[email]M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
>.
> Ivor can you answer yes to the following questions........
> Do Sipgate offer 24/7 support even by email including a reply from
> them 24/7? .
> Are customers able to contact them by telephone at anytime of the day
> or night?
> Do they offer FREE calls to ANY 01 or 02 numbers in the UK or to the
> rest of Europe has many providers do?.
> Do they offer a good and realizable voicemail ?.[/color]

There are plenty of phone and other companies that do not have 24-hour
phone support. So what?

Do calls fail to end when hung up, and can you be charged 2000 seconds
on a forty second call?
Do callbacks go to answerphone because the last call had not hung up?
Are they charging some calls that don't exist?
Are totally spurious calls sometimes generated, and simultaneous ones
at that?
Does the automatic credit system on the account sometimes fail to work,
and why can't CS reinstate it or take a credit over the phone when you
have no PC access?

Another provider has had all these issues, but I didn't see you mention
it. And I'm not going to either.

Anybody that has ever read anything here knows that you don't like the
company. But others do. Saying it a hundred times each will not have
any effect except boring the rest of us to death

"cybuerke" <cybuerke@PLMgooglemail.com> wrote in message
news:eg3ag2$l36$1@news.freedom2surf.net[color=blue]
> Ivor Jones wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Ask yourself two questions; One - personal conflicts
> > aside, which one of us has, in the time this group has
> > existed (and remember who was responsible for the
> > group's creation in the first place) been of more use..?[/color]
>
> I don't know the answer to that. Since it's you that's
> doing the asking, presumably the answer you expect is
> 'Ivor Jones'. Does that mean that you consider yourself
> to be more worthy? Might that be part of the problem?[/color]

No, I don't think so. But answer the question, honestly. Who do *you*
think has been of more value, personal grievances aside..? In terms of
assistance offered, advice given, etc. - that and that alone please,
disregard our dispute in considering your answer.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Two, do you really expect me to sit back and let myself
> > be abused in public without responding..?[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Are you able to put your hand on your heart and tell me
> that your responses have been worthwhile? It doesn't
> seem that way to me.[/color]

But it's not *you* that he is insulting and degrading, it is me. My
responses are worthwhile *to me*. So yes is the answer to your question.
[color=blue]
> Try not responding, and see what happens. I promise you
> that I for one won't think any the less of you.[/color]

I tried that once. At the beginning of this year I made a NY resolution. I
kept it for 4 months but in the end could hold out no longer. He kept on
and on rubbishing Sipgate, and I honestly do find their service to be very
good, I certainly don't have any financial interest in them, or work for
them, which Ron keeps trying to suggest I do. He keeps saying I "ram them
down people's throats" which I really don't think I do, do you think
that..? I too have providers I don't like and wouldn't recommend, but
unlike him I don't keep on saying how crap they are and comparing them to
the Nazis.

Ivor

On Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:04:23 +0100, Ivor Jones said:

[snip rant]

<yawn>

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "cybuerke" <cybuerke@PLMgooglemail.com> wrote in message
> news:eg3ag2$l36$1@news.freedom2surf.net[color=green]
>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Ask yourself two questions; One - personal conflicts
>>> aside, which one of us has, in the time this group has
>>> existed (and remember who was responsible for the
>>> group's creation in the first place) been of more use..?[/color]
>>
>> I don't know the answer to that. Since it's you that's
>> doing the asking, presumably the answer you expect is
>> 'Ivor Jones'. Does that mean that you consider yourself
>> to be more worthy? Might that be part of the problem?[/color]
>
> No, I don't think so. But answer the question, honestly. Who do *you*
> think has been of more value, personal grievances aside..? In terms of
> assistance offered, advice given, etc. - that and that alone please,
> disregard our dispute in considering your answer.[/color]

I refer the gentleman to the reply that I gave earlier. I would *assume* that,
by quantity alone, that would be your goodself, but I may well have missed some
gems from the other side, so I can't *know* that.

[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Two, do you really expect me to sit back and let myself
>>> be abused in public without responding..?[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
>> Are you able to put your hand on your heart and tell me
>> that your responses have been worthwhile? It doesn't
>> seem that way to me.[/color]
>
> But it's not *you* that he is insulting and degrading, it is me. My
> responses are worthwhile *to me*. So yes is the answer to your
> question.[/color]

Granted, it's much easier to pontificate from the sidelines. I might be a red
hot armchair referee, but that's not to say that I'm always wrong...
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Try not responding, and see what happens. I promise you
>> that I for one won't think any the less of you.[/color]
>
> I tried that once. At the beginning of this year I made a NY
> resolution. I kept it for 4 months but in the end could hold out no
> longer.[/color]

Well done for the 4 months. He won in the end though, did he?

[color=blue]
> He kept on and on rubbishing Sipgate, and I honestly do find
> their service to be very good, I certainly don't have any financial
> interest in them, or work for them, which Ron keeps trying to suggest
> I do. He keeps saying I "ram them down people's throats" which I
> really don't think I do, do you think that..? I too have providers I
> don't like and wouldn't recommend, but unlike him I don't keep on
> saying how crap they are and comparing them to the Nazis.
>
> Ivor[/color]

At the end of the day (I hate that expression, but what the hell) it's only
usenet. It's only a reputation. It's not life or death. The world will still
be turning tomorrow. Leastways, I hope it will be. I've places to go.