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<M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:46:16 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
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> > No you can't it costs you a monthly charge.[/color]
> ALL the calls ARE free Ivor there is a very big
> difference between a monthly charge and call charges[/color]

There is indeed, however it is still a charge. Hence the calls are not
free as you have to pay the charge in order to get them.

Ivor

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:44:48 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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>
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><M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:9tjeg2p6q2sd176knv19q5st6e5qkammu7@4ax.com[color=green]
>> On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:46:16 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>> > No you can't it costs you a monthly charge.[/color]
>> ALL the calls ARE free Ivor there is a very big
>> difference between a monthly charge and call charges[/color]
>
>There is indeed, however it is still a charge. Hence the calls are not
>free as you have to pay the charge in order to get them.
>
>Ivor
>[/color]
Better than paying BT 11 quid a month and still having to pay call
charges .You can't put the two together a monthly charge or line
rental is one thing and call charges are another last word on the
subject no other provider provides a better service than Vonage now
that Free talk is no more . Can you dial 999 from Sipgate or anyone
else except Vonage can you dial 1471 from Sipgate or anyone else
except Vonage NO YOU CAN'T do you get 24/7 access to help from anyone
else other than by poxy email except Vonage NO YOU DON'T.
With a brand new router provided for nothing Vonage to me provides
the best passable service for the measly sum of 27p a day .

<M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Better than paying BT 11 quid a month and still having
> to pay call charges .You can't put the two together a
> monthly charge or line rental is one thing and call
> charges are another[/color]

They are stuck together however you try and argue otherwise. You can't
have zero call charges without a monthly payment. Except to other users of
the provider you're using, or those with a peering agreement.
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> last word on the subject no other
> provider provides a better service than Vonage now that
> Free talk is no more . Can you dial 999 from Sipgate or
> anyone else except Vonage[/color]

I have no need to. I have a mobile. In fact I have several, at least one
is always with me and in range of a signal.
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> can you dial 1471 from Sipgate
> or anyone else except Vonage NO YOU CAN'T[/color]

I don't need to, the website log gives me all the info I need on caller
ID.
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> do you get 24/7
> access to help from anyone else other than by poxy email
> except Vonage NO YOU DON'T.[/color]

I don't need to, besides there's nothing poxy about email, people use it
every day.
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> With a brand new router provided for nothing Vonage to me
> provides the best passable service for the measly sum of
> 27p a day .[/color]

I don't make 27p of chargeable calls in a month. Why should I pay it every
day..?

Ivor

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:38:48 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

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>They are stuck together however you try and argue otherwise. You can't
>have zero call charges without a monthly payment. Except to other users of
>the provider you're using, or those with a peering agreement.[/color]

And you can't have very expensive call charges without a very
expensive monthly payment either ref BT .

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>I have no need to. I have a mobile. In fact I have several, at least one
>is always with me and in range of a signal.[/color]

Well now I happen to have four but they very seldom leave the house
unless I am traveling in Europe I am not one for wandering about
flashing a mobile all over the place for every one to see which seems
to be the fashion these days .
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>I don't need to, the website log gives me all the info I need on caller
>ID.[/color]

Info got much quicker by being able to dial 1471 .
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>I don't need to, besides there's nothing poxy about email, people use it
>every day.[/color]

But not for contacting their VOIP provider to sort out any problems
there is only poxy providers like Sipgate that force customers to
contact them by poxy email others provide LIVE support by Telephone .
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>I don't make 27p of chargeable calls in a month. Why should I pay it every
>day..?[/color]

So you must only be calling the hand full of people you have cajoled
to sign up with Sipgate and I being one until I realized what a poor
excuse for a voip provider Sipgete was and is .

<M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:m2kgg2t7e72tbcp34s10h2elf6fjjtvsj5@4ax.com[color=blue]
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:38:48 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
> > They are stuck together however you try and argue
> > otherwise. You can't have zero call charges without a
> > monthly payment. Except to other users of the provider
> > you're using, or those with a peering agreement.[/color]
>
> And you can't have very expensive call charges without a
> very expensive monthly payment either ref BT .[/color]

Which you have to have anyway in order to have ADSL. Another member of the
household pays the BT bill anyway, so it still costs me nothing.
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> > I have no need to. I have a mobile. In fact I have
> > several, at least one is always with me and in range of
> > a signal.[/color]
>
> Well now I happen to have four but they very seldom leave
> the house unless I am traveling in Europe I am not one
> for wandering about flashing a mobile all over the place
> for every one to see which seems to be the fashion these
> days .[/color]

There you are. No need for emergency access from VoIP.
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> > I don't need to, the website log gives me all the info
> > I need on caller ID.[/color]
>
> Info got much quicker by being able to dial 1471 .[/color]

Not at all, a mouse click is far faster, I can also use it to return the
call by clicking on the number displayed.
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> > I don't need to, besides there's nothing poxy about
> > email, people use it every day.[/color]
>
> But not for contacting their VOIP provider to sort out
> any problems there is only poxy providers like Sipgate
> that force customers to contact them by poxy email others
> provide LIVE support by Telephone .[/color]

At a (monthly) cost.
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> > I don't make 27p of chargeable calls in a month. Why
> > should I pay it every day..?[/color]
>
> So you must only be calling the hand full of people you
> have cajoled to sign up with Sipgate and I being one
> until I realized what a poor excuse for a voip provider
> Sipgete was and is .[/color]

It doesn't matter who I'm calling. The fact remains I do not make enough
chargeable calls to warrant paying 27p a day.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ee40hd$3cr$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk
>
> [snip]
>[color=green]
>> Originally you stipulated that free to you means without
>> charge. Now, in addition, you want it to mean without
>> cost. If that is the meaning you want 'free' to have here
>> then offhand I cannot think of anything which is free of
>> charge and free of cost. Breathing, perhaps.[/color]
>
> Ok. let's see what the Oxford English Dictionary has to say on this, shall
> we..? A quick search of [url]www.askoxford.com[/url] produces this definition of the
> word "free" which seems pretty clear to me:
>
> • adverb without cost or payment.
>
> Can I make it any clearer than that..? If so do tell me how.[/color]

So you can find the dictionary when you think it supports your argument,
but you get defensive when anyone describes a newgroup as a forum, even
though the dictionary clearly supports this usage...

"Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:eec7s2$ock$2@custnews.inweb.co.uk

[snip]
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> So you can find the dictionary when you think it supports
> your argument, but you get defensive when anyone
> describes a newgroup as a forum, even though the
> dictionary clearly supports this usage...[/color]

I'm not going to get drawn in into that one again. You have always struck
me as a reasonable person, not given to stirring arguments, why start
now..? You know my views on that and it is not the topic of discussion
here.

Ivor

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:05:07 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

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>I'm not going to get drawn in into that one again. You have always struck
>me as a reasonable person, not given to stirring arguments, why start
>now..? You know my views on that and it is not the topic of discussion
>here.[/color]
Who says it isn't YOU !! forums newsgroups what the hell does it
matter what you call them and in any case your views are not always
correct.

<M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:krrlg256a0a66tepidh94i59jeafit55jr@4ax.com[color=blue]
> On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:05:07 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I'm not going to get drawn in into that one again. You
> > have always struck me as a reasonable person, not given
> > to stirring arguments, why start now..? You know my
> > views on that and it is not the topic of discussion
> > here.[/color][/color]

One day you'll put a space in Ron then I'll fall off my chair..!
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> Who says it isn't YOU !! forums newsgroups what the hell
> does it matter what you call them and in any case your
> views are not always correct.[/color]

They're correct a lot more often than yours are..! Who asked you,
anyway..?!

Ivor