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On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:49:01 +0000 (UTC), Brian <bandj@o2.co.uk>
wrote:

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>There is zero charge for you to use the NHS. It would be unwise to say
>it comes at zero cost to you.[/color]
The NHS cost everyone a mint of money in their lifetime Brian I have
maintained for years that we should adopt the US system of healthcare
and this is about the only thing is the US that I would like to see
over here .

On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:33:48 +0100, Paul Cupis <paul@cupis.co.uk>
wrote:

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>The BT charge is line rental plus their BT Together Option 1 discount
>package - BT don't seem to offer "just" line rental to retail customers
>any more.[/color]
BT are good Paul I have always said this but expensive and an
expensive luxury I can do without , If I was ever in the position of
having to have a land line it would be a BT line I would have .

After serious thinking [email]M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk[/email] wrote :[color=blue]
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:35:24 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
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>> Not if there is any cost involved.[/color]
> Ok Ivor you say calls to other sipgate users are free but that
> statement doesn't hold water really does it how would someone living
> in London signing up with Sipgate tonight KNOW if the guy who lives
> next door to me or anyone else is on sipgate or not ?????. This
> question just dosen't apply to Sipgate most voip providers say the
> same thing.[/color]

That's where services like sipbroker come in......although it pains me
to say it, Sipgate's recent "upgrade" has caused this to stop working!

[email]M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk[/email] explained on 11/09/2006 :[color=blue]
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:33:48 +0100, Paul Cupis <paul@cupis.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>> The BT charge is line rental plus their BT Together Option 1 discount
>> package - BT don't seem to offer "just" line rental to retail customers
>> any more.[/color]
> BT are good Paul I have always said this but expensive and an
> expensive luxury I can do without , If I was ever in the position of
> having to have a land line it would be a BT line I would have .[/color]

I trhought you'd just renewed a cable TV package......CATV usually
comes with an included landline....

On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:08:31 +0100, Jono <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid>
wrote:
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>M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk explained on 11/09/2006 :[color=green]
>> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:33:48 +0100, Paul Cupis <paul@cupis.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> The BT charge is line rental plus their BT Together Option 1 discount
>>> package - BT don't seem to offer "just" line rental to retail customers
>>> any more.[/color]
>> BT are good Paul I have always said this but expensive and an
>> expensive luxury I can do without , If I was ever in the position of
>> having to have a land line it would be a BT line I would have .[/color]
>
>I trhought you'd just renewed a cable TV package......CATV usually
>comes with an included landline....
>[/color]
Well the lady at BY slipped up when she offered me the TV free for
another year she should have told me that a line was needed to be
taken . She rang me two days later and told me and said I would now be
charged for the TV but would get refunds of five pounds whatever on
every bill for 12 months, makes no differance to me her cock up not
mine .

"Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ee40hd$3cr$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk

[snip]
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> Originally you stipulated that free to you means without
> charge. Now, in addition, you want it to mean without
> cost. If that is the meaning you want 'free' to have here
> then offhand I cannot think of anything which is free of
> charge and free of cost. Breathing, perhaps.[/color]

Ok. let's see what the Oxford English Dictionary has to say on this, shall
we..? A quick search of [url]www.askoxford.com[/url] produces this definition of the
word "free" which seems pretty clear to me:

• adverb without cost or payment.

Can I make it any clearer than that..? If so do tell me how.

Ivor

<M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:u3jbg2db807lnt5trqdfba6bljpqfs8edr@4ax.com[color=blue]
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:35:24 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
> > Not if there is any cost involved.[/color][/color]

Put a space in, *please*..!!!
[color=blue]
> Ok Ivor you say calls to other sipgate users are free but
> that statement doesn't hold water really does it[/color]

Of course it does. Calls to other Sipgate users *are* free, how can you
say they're not..?
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> how
> would someone living in London signing up with Sipgate
> tonight KNOW if the guy who lives next door to me or
> anyone else is on sipgate or not ?????. This question
> just dosen't apply to Sipgate most voip providers say the
> same thing.[/color]

That isn't the question being asked, is it..?!

They wouldn't know for certain, although in many cases it's possible to
tell from the number range. For example most if not all Birmingham 0121
numbers on Sipgate are in the 0121-314 xxxx range. It's not conclusive,
but it can give you a good idea. Dial the SIP ID and you'll find out if it
connects or not.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> <M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:u3jbg2db807lnt5trqdfba6bljpqfs8edr@4ax.com[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> how
>> would someone living in London signing up with Sipgate
>> tonight KNOW if the guy who lives next door to me or
>> anyone else is on sipgate or not ?????. This question
>> just dosen't apply to Sipgate most voip providers say the
>> same thing.[/color]
>
> That isn't the question being asked, is it..?!
>
> They wouldn't know for certain, although in many cases it's possible to
> tell from the number range. For example most if not all Birmingham 0121
> numbers on Sipgate are in the 0121-314 xxxx range. It's not conclusive,
> but it can give you a good idea. Dial the SIP ID and you'll find out if it
> connects or not.[/color]

Surely if you know their SIP ID then you already know they use SIPgate?

Perhaps if you regularly talk to this person you could ask them if they
use VoIP?

If it the "the guy next door", why not pop next door and talk face to face?

Thus spaketh Paul Cupis:[color=blue]
> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=green]
>> <M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:u3jbg2db807lnt5trqdfba6bljpqfs8edr@4ax.com[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> how
>>> would someone living in London signing up with Sipgate
>>> tonight KNOW if the guy who lives next door to me or
>>> anyone else is on sipgate or not ?????. This question
>>> just dosen't apply to Sipgate most voip providers say the
>>> same thing.[/color]
>>
>> That isn't the question being asked, is it..?!
>>
>> They wouldn't know for certain, although in many cases it's possible
>> to tell from the number range. For example most if not all
>> Birmingham 0121 numbers on Sipgate are in the 0121-314 xxxx range.
>> It's not conclusive, but it can give you a good idea. Dial the SIP
>> ID and you'll find out if it connects or not.[/color]
>
> Surely if you know their SIP ID then you already know they use
> SIPgate?
>[/color]

Could they not be using another SIP provider, with similar SIP IDs?

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> Perhaps if you regularly talk to this person you could ask them if
> they use VoIP?
>
> If it the "the guy next door", why not pop next door and talk face to
> face?[/color]

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{{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:[color=blue]
> Thus spaketh Paul Cupis:[color=green]
>> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> <M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:u3jbg2db807lnt5trqdfba6bljpqfs8edr@4ax.com[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>>> how
>>>> would someone living in London signing up with Sipgate
>>>> tonight KNOW if the guy who lives next door to me or
>>>> anyone else is on sipgate or not ?????. This question
>>>> just dosen't apply to Sipgate most voip providers say the
>>>> same thing.
>>>
>>> That isn't the question being asked, is it..?!
>>>
>>> They wouldn't know for certain, although in many cases it's possible
>>> to tell from the number range. For example most if not all
>>> Birmingham 0121 numbers on Sipgate are in the 0121-314 xxxx range.
>>> It's not conclusive, but it can give you a good idea. Dial the SIP
>>> ID and you'll find out if it connects or not.[/color]
>>
>> Surely if you know their SIP ID then you already know they use
>> SIPgate?[/color]
>
> Could they not be using another SIP provider, with similar SIP IDs?[/color]

Right, but my point is how would you know what SIP ID to dial if you
didn't know they used VoIP (regardless of provider).