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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Jono" <nothanks@notonyournelly.blueyonder.com.co.uk> wrote
> in message
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>
> [snip]
>[color=green]
> > The rabbit bases could each have 10 handsets registered.
> > In turn, each handset could register with 10 base
> > stations. They were really very good for that.
> >
> > I've only ever seen this sort of ability with proprietory
> > DECT cellstations & handsets on telephone systems.[/color]
>
> You can register a modern DECT handset with more than one base station.
> What you *can't* do, which is the crux of my argument, is get that handset
> to ring for incoming calls to more than one base station; it will only
> ring for the one it is currently linked to for outgoing calls. If I want
> to answer a call that is ringing a base that my handset is not currently
> using, (assuming I can hear it ringing at all) I have to manually switch
> to it, by which time (a) the caller has gone or (b) the voicemail has
> kicked in..[/color]

i think you just identified 1 advantage of a SIP WLAN phone talking to an IP
telephony system - or at least if it is being used in an office.

the phone system handles the call processing, and if you have deep enough
pockets you add more phones until you run out of WLAN bandwidth.....

the cisco 7920 is the only device of this type i have actually seen in use -
it supports up to 6 logical lines on the handset (although i never
understood why you would want that).

the most useful part of the spec is it is supposed to survive being dropped
from 1 metre onto concrete.[color=blue]
>
> Rabbit phones would ring for calls on any base station, whether it was
> selected for calls or not. You still had to manually switch bases to make
> outgoing calls, but for incoming it didn't matter.
>
> Ivor[/color]
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Regards

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"stephen" <stephen_hope@xyzworld.com> wrote in message
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> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4m5tlbF4l8ulU1@individual.net...[color=green]
> > "Jono" <nothanks@notonyournelly.blueyonder.com.co.uk>
> > wrote
> > in message
> > news:mn.2c7a7d69222879fb.48968@notonyournelly.blueyonder.com.co.uk
> >
> > [snip]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > The rabbit bases could each have 10 handsets
> > > registered. In turn, each handset could register with
> > > 10 base stations. They were really very good for that.
> > >
> > > I've only ever seen this sort of ability with
> > > proprietory DECT cellstations & handsets on telephone
> > > systems.[/color]
> >
> > You can register a modern DECT handset with more than
> > one base station. What you *can't* do, which is the
> > crux of my argument, is get that handset to ring for
> > incoming calls to more than one base station; it will
> > only ring for the one it is currently linked to for
> > outgoing calls. If I want to answer a call that is
> > ringing a base that my handset is not currently using,
> > (assuming I can hear it ringing at all) I have to
> > manually switch to it, by which time (a) the caller has
> > gone or (b) the voicemail has kicked in..[/color]
>
> i think you just identified 1 advantage of a SIP WLAN
> phone talking to an IP telephony system - or at least if
> it is being used in an office.
>
> the phone system handles the call processing, and if you
> have deep enough pockets you add more phones until you
> run out of WLAN bandwidth.....[/color]

What I do is use a single ordinary DECT phone as an extension of my house
PABX. The PABX is set to ring a different wired phone for each incoming
number, but all of them ring the DECT phone. It has the disadvantage that
if I'm out of sight of the wired phones I can't tell which line a call is
coming in on, but that is more than outweighed by only having to carry one
cordless handset..!
[color=blue]
> the cisco 7920 is the only device of this type i have
> actually seen in use - it supports up to 6 logical lines
> on the handset (although i never understood why you would
> want that).
>
> the most useful part of the spec is it is supposed to
> survive being dropped from 1 metre onto concrete.[/color]

A Rabbit would have been in a million pieces if you did that to it..!

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:
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>
> A Rabbit would have been in a million pieces if you did that to it..!
>
> Ivor
>
>[/color]

Did it work outside when it was raining? (From what I recall Ionica
phones didn't).

"Thomas Kenyon" <tom@art-it-services.co.uk> wrote in
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> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=green]
> >
> > A Rabbit would have been in a million pieces if you did
> > that to it..![/color]
>
> Did it work outside when it was raining? (From what I
> recall Ionica phones didn't).[/color]

I don't recall ever trying..!

Ivor

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> "Thomas Kenyon" <tom@art-it-services.co.uk> wrote in[/color]
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>> Did it work outside when it was raining? (From what I
>> recall Ionica phones didn't).[/color][/color]
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>[/color]

Yes they did.

Ionica phones were very different - they had to have line of sight - Rabbit
hotspots were (usually) small radio aerials.

Hey, you could even roam internationally with them. I used mine in Holland &
Germany!

"Jono" <jono@NoThanksNeverBlueYonder.com> wrote in message
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> > "Thomas Kenyon" <tom@art-it-services.co.uk> wrote in[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > Did it work outside when it was raining? (From what I
> > > recall Ionica phones didn't).[/color][/color]
>
> Yes they did.
>
> Ionica phones were very different - they had to have line
> of sight - Rabbit hotspots were (usually) small radio
> aerials.
> Hey, you could even roam internationally with them. I
> used mine in Holland & Germany![/color]

I was talking about using Rabbit handsets with local base stations. I
never used one with a public hotspot.

Ionica used a small dish mounted on your house pointing at the local base
station, the user was presented with normal phone sockets, it wasn't a
cordless system so isn't a valid comparison.

Ivor

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> "Jono" <jono@NoThanksNeverBlueYonder.com> wrote in message
> news:rRCLg.14637$r61.10798@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > "Thomas Kenyon" <tom@art-it-services.co.uk> wrote in[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> > > Did it work outside when it was raining? (From what I
>> > > recall Ionica phones didn't).[/color]
>>
>> Yes they did.
>>
>> Ionica phones were very different - they had to have line
>> of sight - Rabbit hotspots were (usually) small radio
>> aerials.
>> Hey, you could even roam internationally with them. I
>> used mine in Holland & Germany![/color]
>
> I was talking about using Rabbit handsets with local base stations. I never
> used one with a public hotspot.
>
> Ionica used a small dish mounted on your house pointing at the local base
> station, the user was presented with normal phone sockets, it wasn't a
> cordless system so isn't a valid comparison.[/color]

Yep. I know what you were referring to - I thought I'd replied to
Thomas Kenyon, sorry.

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "Jono" <jono@NoThanksNeverBlueYonder.com> wrote in message
> news:rRCLg.14637$r61.10798@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> "Thomas Kenyon" <tom@art-it-services.co.uk> wrote in
>>>> Did it work outside when it was raining? (From what I
>>>> recall Ionica phones didn't).[/color]
>> Yes they did.
>>
>> Ionica phones were very different - they had to have line
>> of sight - Rabbit hotspots were (usually) small radio
>> aerials.
>> Hey, you could even roam internationally with them. I
>> used mine in Holland & Germany![/color]
>
> I was talking about using Rabbit handsets with local base stations. I
> never used one with a public hotspot.
>
> Ionica used a small dish mounted on your house pointing at the local base
> station, the user was presented with normal phone sockets, it wasn't a
> cordless system so isn't a valid comparison.
>[/color]
TBH, I remember very little about them. I do remember one of the people
on the project (designed the RF kit) tell me that it didn't work in the
rain.

I only every remember seeing ionica dishes in Milton Keynes. (though
there were more than a few left in Paington iirc).

"Thomas Kenyon" <tom@art-it-services.co.uk> wrote in
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> Ivor Jones wrote:[/color]

[snip]
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> > I was talking about using Rabbit handsets with local
> > base stations. I never used one with a public hotspot.
> >
> > Ionica used a small dish mounted on your house pointing
> > at the local base station, the user was presented with
> > normal phone sockets, it wasn't a cordless system so
> > isn't a valid comparison.
> >[/color]
> TBH, I remember very little about them. I do remember one
> of the people on the project (designed the RF kit) tell
> me that it didn't work in the rain.
>
> I only every remember seeing ionica dishes in Milton
> Keynes. (though there were more than a few left in
> Paington iirc).[/color]

A friend of mine in Coventry, one of the trial areas, had it. ISTR him
telling me it worked quite well, but I don't recall him mentioning rain
problems, I'll have to ask.

Ivor

Ivor Jones pretended :[color=blue]
> "Thomas Kenyon" <tom@art-it-services.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:rSELg.5116$wo3.683@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net[color=green]
>> Ivor Jones wrote:[/color]
>
> [snip]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > I was talking about using Rabbit handsets with local
>> > base stations. I never used one with a public hotspot.
>> >
>> > Ionica used a small dish mounted on your house pointing
>> > at the local base station, the user was presented with
>> > normal phone sockets, it wasn't a cordless system so
>> > isn't a valid comparison.
>> >[/color]
>> TBH, I remember very little about them. I do remember one
>> of the people on the project (designed the RF kit) tell
>> me that it didn't work in the rain.
>>
>> I only every remember seeing ionica dishes in Milton
>> Keynes. (though there were more than a few left in
>> Paington iirc).[/color]
>
> A friend of mine in Coventry, one of the trial areas, had it. ISTR him
> telling me it worked quite well, but I don't recall him mentioning rain
> problems, I'll have to ask.
>
> Ivor[/color]

There was a problem with Ionica in the rain......are we talking about
Ionica now?

There were loads of people who lost service in the spring - when the
leaves came out on the trees.