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Old 03-09-2006, 16:29
Graham
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:4m09jdF3to6iU1@individual.net...[color=blue]
> "Jono" <nothanks@notonyournelly.blueyonder.com.co.uk> wrote
> in message
> news:mn.1a607d693b0d9437.48968@notonyournelly.blueyonder.com.co.uk[color=green]
>> DMac wrote :[color=darkred]
>> > > Now that you point out it doesn't do GSM I would say
>> > > that it is just a gimmick for cleaning/security staff
>> > > working within a campus. :P
>> >
>> > They've reinvented the Rabbit phone![/color]
>>
>> I was just thinking that myself! I still have fond
>> memories of that device. Ah well.[/color]
>
> IIRC it was just about the only cordless device that could handle more
> than one base station on the same handset without switching, i.e. be able
> to accept an incoming call on more than one line. OK so you had to switch
> bases before you could dial out on the second line, but it would ring for
> more than one, whereas I don't know of any DECT handset that will do this,
> short of the very expensive 2-line systems.
>
> The only thing that let it down IMHO was the build quality of the
> handsets. Drop one and it would fly into a million pieces..!
>
> Ivor[/color]

A friend of mine worked on the approval of CT2 kit.
I wonder if he still mentions it in his CV?
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Old 03-09-2006, 16:42
Ivor Jones
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"Graham" <me@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:44faf4e1$1_3@x-privat.org[color=blue]
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4m09jdF3to6iU1@individual.net...[color=green]
> > "Jono" <nothanks@notonyournelly.blueyonder.com.co.uk>
> > wrote in message
> > news:mn.1a607d693b0d9437.48968@notonyournelly.blueyonder.com.co.uk[color=darkred]
> > > DMac wrote :
> > > > > Now that you point out it doesn't do GSM I would
> > > > > say that it is just a gimmick for
> > > > > cleaning/security staff working within a campus.
> > > > > :P
> > > >
> > > > They've reinvented the Rabbit phone!
> > >
> > > I was just thinking that myself! I still have fond
> > > memories of that device. Ah well.[/color]
> >
> > IIRC it was just about the only cordless device that
> > could handle more than one base station on the same
> > handset without switching, i.e. be able to accept an
> > incoming call on more than one line. OK so you had to
> > switch bases before you could dial out on the second
> > line, but it would ring for more than one, whereas I
> > don't know of any DECT handset that will do this, short
> > of the very expensive 2-line systems. The only thing that let it down
> > IMHO was the build
> > quality of the handsets. Drop one and it would fly into
> > a million pieces..! Ivor[/color]
>
> A friend of mine worked on the approval of CT2 kit.
> I wonder if he still mentions it in his CV?[/color]

When I was active on amateur packet radio, I used a couple of modified CT2
base stations, they worked very well as TNC's (Terminal Node Controller to
the uninitiated, similar to a modem) once the firmware was rewritten..!

Ivor


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Old 03-09-2006, 16:50
Jono
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Ivor Jones used his keyboard to write :[color=blue]
> "Jono" <nothanks@notonyournelly.blueyonder.com.co.uk> wrote
> in message
> news:mn.1a607d693b0d9437.48968@notonyournelly.blueyonder.com.co.uk[color=green]
>> DMac wrote :[color=darkred]
>> > > Now that you point out it doesn't do GSM I would say
>> > > that it is just a gimmick for cleaning/security staff
>> > > working within a campus. :P
>> >
>> > They've reinvented the Rabbit phone![/color]
>>
>> I was just thinking that myself! I still have fond
>> memories of that device. Ah well.[/color]
>
> IIRC it was just about the only cordless device that could handle more than
> one base station on the same handset without switching, i.e. be able to
> accept an incoming call on more than one line. OK so you had to switch bases
> before you could dial out on the second line, but it would ring for more than
> one, whereas I don't know of any DECT handset that will do this, short of the
> very expensive 2-line systems.[/color]

I used two bases & three hndsets before I got my two-line PABX
[color=blue]
> The only thing that let it down IMHO was the build quality of the handsets.
> Drop one and it would fly into a million pieces..!
>
> Ivor[/color]

I still have two functioning handsets (originally three, two of which
were broken) and two bases.


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Old 03-09-2006, 17:05
Ivor Jones
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"Jono" <nothanks@notonyournelly.blueyonder.com.co.uk> wrote
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news:mn.1bf27d69045e8ae0.48968@notonyournelly.blueyonder.com.co.uk[color=blue]
> Ivor Jones used his keyboard to write :[/color]

[snip]
[color=blue][color=green]
> > The only thing that let it down IMHO was the build
> > quality of the handsets. Drop one and it would fly into
> > a million pieces..![/color]
>
> I still have two functioning handsets (originally three,
> two of which were broken) and two bases.[/color]

If I didn't have my PABX I'd make you an offer for those..! Now I use an
ordinary single line DECT phone as a PABX extension, it rings for an
incoming call on any of the 4 VoIP lines coming into it, while separate
wired phones ring for each line as well.

Ivor


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Old 03-09-2006, 18:03
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>> A friend of mine worked on the approval of CT2 kit.
>> I wonder if he still mentions it in his CV?[/color]
>
> When I was active on amateur packet radio, I used a couple of modified CT2
> base stations, they worked very well as TNC's (Terminal Node Controller to
> the uninitiated, similar to a modem) once the firmware was rewritten..!
>
> Ivor[/color]

I parted with Fifty Great British Pounds in exchange for an unpopulated PCB
and a cassette tape program which, once you had built the interface, allowed
you to work Packet on an ZX Spectrum.
I think I managed one QSO, then went back to receiving SSTV on a 5FP7 radar
tube.

--

Graham.
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Old 04-09-2006, 09:10
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alexd wrote:
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> PhilT wrote:[color=green]
> > "The WIP330 supports the SIP 2 VoIP standard "[/color]
>
> Sorry, spot the rather blindingly obvious mistake there. I knew it did SIP,
> I meant to say 'just SIP, not GSM..."
>[/color]

I wondered what "SIP 2" is ?

Phil

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Old 04-09-2006, 13:52
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PhilT wrote:[color=blue]
> alexd wrote:[color=green]
>> PhilT wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "The WIP330 supports the SIP 2 VoIP standard "[/color]
>> Sorry, spot the rather blindingly obvious mistake there. I knew it did SIP,
>> I meant to say 'just SIP, not GSM..."[/color]
>
> I wondered what "SIP 2" is ?[/color]

SIP 2.0
[url]http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2543.txt[/url]
[url]http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3261.txt[/url]

You would probably just refer to it as "SIP".
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Old 04-09-2006, 15:49
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Paul Cupis wrote:
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> SIP 2.0
> [url]http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2543.txt[/url]
> [url]http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3261.txt[/url]
>
> You would probably just refer to it as "SIP".[/color]

thanks, I wondered if there was a new version or something.


Phil

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Old 04-09-2006, 16:09
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DMac wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>> Now that you point out it doesn't do GSM I would say that it is just a
>> gimmick for cleaning/security staff working within a campus. :P[/color]
>
> They've reinvented the Rabbit phone![/color]

I snapped a picture of a Rabbit point last year:

[url]http://herm.doylem.co.uk/~tim/imgp4183_r.jpg[/url]


I also have to admit that I've not convinced by the `use your wifi phone
in a hotspot` idea.

But, people who are interested tend to be wanting to avoid GSM roaming
charges.

The fundamental problem at the moment is that most hotspots require a
web browser for authentication, and most wifi phones don't have one.

The UTStarcom F3000 is a very popular phone though.


Tim
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Old 04-09-2006, 16:09
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Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> The only thing that let it down IMHO was the build quality of the
> handsets. Drop one and it would fly into a million pieces..!
>[/color]

And that you couldn't receive calls.

Tim
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