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To get back to your original question, I have recently moved from a separate
BT line to a VOIP using a PAP2T and my VM 2Meg cable sevice (no TV, just a
cable modem) Porting my BT number was a big consideration for me, so I
opted for Voipfone who charged £20+vat to port then £2 monthly. They're not
the cheapest voip provider out there, but the service has been A1 for me as
yet. Any VOIP is cheap compared to BT - my advice is tell her to go for it!
Chris.

I've recently ditched BT in favour of Sipgate via my 2mbs Virgin cable
connection and I am very pleased with it.

The call quality is good and I recently downloaded some big files
while making a phone call with no loss of call quality.

I've wired all my home phone sockets up to the Sipgate box and I'm
just enjoying not having to give money to BT any more.

Sipgate has lots of good features although you can't take your BT
number with you.

Thanks guys! Maybe she'll wait a bit longer and see what happens with
voip.co.uk, if not then voipfone might be her best option.

On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 08:20:04 GMT, BC
<bacillus.cereus@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:
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>Thanks guys! Maybe she'll wait a bit longer and see what happens with
>voip.co.uk, if not then voipfone might be her best option.[/color]
Don't look like anything is going to happen with voip.co.uk, just how
a company can change from being one of the best to the utter shambles
and anti residential customers that voip.co.uk is now beggars belief.
On the other hand voipfone just carry's on giving excellent service
not that I use any voip services much these days I am quite happy
using my free mobile minutes daytime and BT line evenings and weekends
...

Connections from UK cable providers should *not* be used for VoIP at present because of:

1. High contention ratios
2. Use of traffic shaping
4. Restrictions in some cases on the use of ports
5. Commercial restrictions (terms & conditions and fair use policies preventing use of VoIP).

You may find it works, however calls at peak internet times might be a bit hopeless....

You are much better of getting a DSL line with some form of guarantee and SLA attached.

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"mattpark" <admin@ukvoiptalk.com> wrote in message
news:mattpark.37gdi2@no-mx.ukvoiptalk.com...[color=blue]
>
> Connections from UK cable providers should *not* be used for VoIP at
> present because of:
>
> 1. High contention ratios
> 2. Use of traffic shaping
> 4. Restrictions in some cases on the use of ports
> 5. Commercial restrictions (terms & conditions and fair use policies
> preventing use of VoIP).
>
> You may find it works, however calls at peak internet times might be a
> bit hopeless....
>
> You are much better of getting a DSL line with some form of guarantee
> and SLA attached.
>
>
> --
>[/color]


As I said on here a week or so ago, Virgin (as was NTL) got big by
taking over other cable companies, and the install standard and system
structure varied a lot between them.

Get a good area in Virgin - as it is round here - and VOIP works
perfectly well, but in other areas it is not so.

So don't condemn outright - it may be your experience but not that of
others.



--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:25:09 GMT, "Woody" <woody@spamblock.com> wrote:

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>Get a good area in Virgin - as it is round here - and VOIP works
>perfectly well, but in other areas it is not so.
>
>So don't condemn outright - it may be your experience but not that of
>others.[/color]
Exactly we are on Virgin and have no problems with VOIP whatsoever
via our adsl connection it is crap .

On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:42:10 GMT, [email]mymail@hotmail.co.uk[/email] wrote:
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>not that I use any voip services much these days I am quite happy
>using my free mobile minutes daytime and BT line evenings and weekends[/color]

Then as usual Ron, it would appear that you have nothing of value to
contribute to this discussion on VOIP.

So why don't you just FOAD?

mattpark wrote:[color=blue]
> Connections from UK cable providers should *not* be used for VoIP at
> present because of:[/color]

There's only VM now so that should be 'cable provider'. Singular.
[color=blue]
> 2. Use of traffic shaping[/color]

None that I've heard about.
[color=blue]
> 4. Restrictions in some cases on the use of ports[/color]

None relevant.
[color=blue]
> 5. Commercial restrictions (terms & conditions and fair use policies
> preventing use of VoIP).[/color]

None for residential use.
[color=blue]
> You may find it works, however calls at peak internet times might be a
> bit hopeless....[/color]

Maybe. I've prioritised outgoing VoIP traffic on my router and find it
still works fine even when the buggers are STMing me as long as I don't
have any torrents going at the same time.
STM is a stupid idea. VM are just shooting themselves in the foot. I
only know of it's existence from reading VM's support newsgroups. Most
of their customers are probably unaware of the practice and so have the
impression that their VM broadband connection sucks much more than it
actually does. They then complain about this to everyone and bad news
spreads better than good

TheMgt wrote:[color=blue]
> mattpark wrote:[color=green]
>> Connections from UK cable providers should *not* be used for VoIP at
>> present because of:[/color]
>
> There's only VM now so that should be 'cable provider'. Singular.
>[color=green]
>> 2. Use of traffic shaping[/color]
>
> None that I've heard about.
>[color=green]
>> 4. Restrictions in some cases on the use of ports[/color]
>
> None relevant.
>[color=green]
>> 5. Commercial restrictions (terms & conditions and fair use policies
>> preventing use of VoIP).[/color]
>
> None for residential use.
>[color=green]
>> You may find it works, however calls at peak internet times might be a
>> bit hopeless....[/color]
>
> Maybe. I've prioritised outgoing VoIP traffic on my router and find it
> still works fine even when the buggers are STMing me as long as I don't
> have any torrents going at the same time.
> STM is a stupid idea. VM are just shooting themselves in the foot. I
> only know of it's existence from reading VM's support newsgroups. Most
> of their customers are probably unaware of the practice and so have the
> impression that their VM broadband connection sucks much more than it
> actually does. They then complain about this to everyone and bad news
> spreads better than good
>[/color]

I'm surprised that a VOIP connection works at all while STM is in place.

I was never under STM. My connection sucked because of congestion. It is
easy to spot STM because the upstream speed drops so significantly.

If you don't approve of STM how do you think VirginMedia should manage
congestion?