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Mark Carver wrote:[color=blue]
> Now and again I look seriously at the viability of using voip rather
> than POTS.
> Under what circumstances is voip a better deal, or have I got my sums
> very wrong ?[/color]

No your sums look fine. VOIP it not all about cheap calls, the advertisers
just make it look that way. Its more about choice and flexibility. I'd love
to use VOIP at home cos I'm a techie but as I don't pay a bean for my
calls as they are all free with my broadband account I use the PSTN. We
use VOIP in the office internally with ISDN for our main lines. We need
reliable comms and ADSL has no service level agreement. Calls to mobiles
are routed over a VOIP provider for lower rates thogh.

Flexibility means that I have an IP phone on my desk at home which is
connected to my office PBX over a VPN. I can make business calls from
home which are sent out via the office ISDN lines and billed to the
business directly.

<rant mode>Any business that relies on its phones and uses VOIP over
ADSL as it's only carrier needs its head examined</rant mode>

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:52:16 GMT, "Al" <ardl02029_5@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:

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>far better deal than sipgate
>who are forever have problems when trying to credit an account.[/color]

Do they heck as have problems that is just an excuse to take the money
and not give service you know what the NAZI's are like .

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:19:56 GMT, [email]mymail@hotmail.com[/email] wrote:
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>Do they heck as have problems that is just an excuse to take the money
>and not give service you know what the N***'s are like .[/color]

Wow Ron, this time you have gone too far. I'm glad I didn't say that.

[email]mymail@hotmail.com[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:20:04 +0000, Mark Carver
> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>> Under what circumstances is voip a better deal, or have I got my sums very
>> wrong ?[/color]
> A certain person will be along shortly saying you can have many lines
> with VOIP for practically nothing but someone in their right mind
> would not want numerous lines apart for that point with all the free
> calls and free minutes that are around these days voip is no longer
> needed at all in order to save money. You get better quality calls
> via a fixed line has I found out when I went back to BT .[/color]

Not if you regularly phone mobiles, voip can be a huge cost saver!

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On Feb 17, 9:55*am, mym...@hotmail.com wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:20:04 +0000, Mark Carver
>
> <mark.car...@invalid.invalid> wrote:[color=green]
> >Under what circumstances is voip a better deal, or have I got my sums very
> >wrong ?[/color]
>
> A certain person will be along shortly saying you can have many lines
> with VOIP for practically nothing but someone in their right mind
> would not want numerous lines apart for that point with all the free
> calls and free minutes that are around these days voip is no longer
> needed at all in order to save money. *You get better quality calls
> via a fixed line *has I found out when I went back to BT .[/color]

That certain person has credibility because he can, at least, write in
English.

Adrian

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:52:06 -0800 (PST), Adrian
<adrian_h_hudson@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>On Feb 17, 9:55*am, mym...@hotmail.com wrote:[color=green]
>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:20:04 +0000, Mark Carver
>>
>> <mark.car...@invalid.invalid> wrote:[color=darkred]
>> >Under what circumstances is voip a better deal, or have I got my sums very
>> >wrong ?[/color]
>>
>> A certain person will be along shortly saying you can have many lines
>> with VOIP for practically nothing but someone in their right mind
>> would not want numerous lines apart for that point with all the free
>> calls and free minutes that are around these days voip is no longer
>> needed at all in order to save money. *You get better quality calls
>> via a fixed line *has I found out when I went back to BT .[/color]
>
>That certain person has credibility because he can, at least, write in
>English.
>
>Adrian[/color]
Since when as there been a need for a dozen GCE's and ten uni degrees
before anyone can post in a poxy news group sorry FORUM ?, if you
don't like it then do the other I just do not give a damn life is far
to short to bother about you and people like you .

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:51:23 GMT, [email]mymail@hotmail.com[/email] wrote:
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>On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:52:06 -0800 (PST), Adrian
><adrian_h_hudson@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>On Feb 17, 9:55*am, mym...@hotmail.com wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:20:04 +0000, Mark Carver
>>>
>>> <mark.car...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> >Under what circumstances is voip a better deal, or have I got my sums very
>>> >wrong ?
>>>
>>> A certain person will be along shortly saying you can have many lines
>>> with VOIP for practically nothing but someone in their right mind
>>> would not want numerous lines apart for that point with all the free
>>> calls and free minutes that are around these days voip is no longer
>>> needed at all in order to save money. *You get better quality calls
>>> via a fixed line *has I found out when I went back to BT .[/color]
>>
>>That certain person has credibility because he can, at least, write in
>>English.
>>
>>Adrian[/color]
>Since when as there been a need for a dozen GCE's and ten uni degrees
> before anyone can post in a poxy news group sorry FORUM ?, if you
>don't like it then do the other I just do not give a damn life is far
>to short to bother about you and people like you .[/color]

He didn't say it was needed in order to post, he said writing good
English gives you credibility, which it does.

Chris

"Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@spamfence.net> wrote in message
news:12nkr3d59efs749ctivcnhhkrt7t7jhqvd@4ax.com
: : On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:51:23 GMT, [email]mymail@hotmail.com[/email]
: : wrote:

[snip]

: : : Since when as there been a need for a dozen GCE's and
: : : ten uni degrees before anyone can post in a poxy news
: : : group sorry FORUM ?, if you don't like it then do the
: : : other I just do not give a damn life is far to short
: : : to bother about you and people like you .
: :
: : He didn't say it was needed in order to post, he said
: : writing good English gives you credibility, which it
: : does.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to post here, Ron.

Although thinking about it, the first part of that idea does have a
certain fascination.....


Ivor

In message <61vjumF20f7d9U1@mid.individual.net>
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
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> Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to post here, Ron.
>
> Although thinking about it, the first part of that idea does have a
> certain fascination.....[/color]

Steady on, or there'll be a queue...

Dave

On Feb 19, 12:20*pm, Dave Higton <davehig...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> In message <61vjumF20f7d...@mid.individual.net>
> * * * * * "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to post here, Ron.[/color]
>[color=green]
> > Although thinking about it, the first part of that idea does have a
> > certain fascination.....[/color]
>
> Steady on, or there'll be a queue...
>
> Dave[/color]

Na, Ron's not worth the time.