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Mike the unimaginative wrote:
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> You will be struck down for heresay![/color]

Hearsay or heresy?
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> But.... I fear you are right. For most home users - let me repeat that
> - for Most Home Users - voip is a technology solution looking for a
> question.[/color]

If you really can't see the advantages, you can't use telephones much.
VOIP allows you to have multiple lines without extra line rental, free
call forwarding and call forking. It allows you to take your number with
you when you move - to anywhere in the world. It
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> The call charges are not competitive when you look at all the other
> packages available (mobile / landline);[/color]

Nothing like true.
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> the technology is unweildy
> (unless you buy a locked ATA);[/color]

Rubbish. You can buy devices ready set up but not locked. You can easily
set up devices. For example, look at the help that Sipgate gives: shows
you exactly what to put in for laods of different devices.

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> the call quality can be flaky (unless you
> have the nouce to be able to deal with the hardware).[/color]

Well, the same can be said of tin openers. If you don't know how to use
it, it won't work.
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> I suspect voip's time will come, but it's not now![/color]

Suspect? I've got news for you, sunshine. POTS is obsolete and BT are in
the process of replacing the whole lot of it with VOIP. They wouldn't do
that without good reason.

Iain

I was in a shop and it had a VOIP phone for £6 .. jeex just
gotta try it , soooo I have plugged it in .. it actually works !
The phone forces sign up to SKYPE , now done and
the line is incredibly clear , its better than my standard
phone line ... so i am impressed with VOIP ...now for
the learning curve though ...

now i signed up for account with skype but
didnt actually give htem ny money or card details

So who can i sign up with next for some decent free call tim to
expirement ......

PAUL


"Homeworker" <novalid@fakeukadd.com> wrote in message
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> is it just me or is voip confusing .......
>
> i have always foud the plethora of mobile deals confusing and
> hard to workout best value .............
>
> VOIPS even more confusing ,ther seems to be a collection of
> companies offering service but everyone seems to have a mixed views
> on them , i see a compnay with good reviews then days later someones
> tearing them apart ....there doesnt seem to be any clear winner at the
> moment ..... maybe the markets not mature enough yet ? would youagree ?
>
> Except maybe SKYPE ..i say this mainly as its the only well known brand
> in the market ... but i get the general feeling its the AOL of the viop
> market
> ..maybe along the lines of Viop for dummies ...or thats the impression
> some
> people give ...its easy to set up and use but never best value ? and due
> to its
> popularity with the dummies its service can be erratic ?
>
> Also is viop really a service you should only set up and useif you REALLY
> have
> a need for it ..one thing that confuses me is the costs ......... calls
> arent really free
> are they and landline/mobile calls are so cheap now theres no REAL saving
> is there?
> if yourplanning to keep your exisitng land line and mobile ?
>
> Phew .. services ! theres seems to be plethora of services available but
> no one
> central place thats list available services so you can try and guage what
> services
> you might need ? nothing worse than signing up for aservice to read about
> feature you would reallylike
>
>
> I have a small list of my OWN must haves at the moment ..anyone know a
> decent
> company that can suffice
>
>
> 1. ability to prepay by paypal
> 2. no monthly service charge
> 3. good rates
> 4. no contract
> 5. ability to choose a local number
> 6. multiple numbers to 1 viop line
> 7.different rings for different numbers
> 8. ability to port in Bt numbers
>
> an collection of othr features i dont know i need yt likely
>[/color]

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:58:22 +0000, Homeworker wrote:
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> I was in a shop and it had a VOIP phone for £6 .. jeex just gotta try it
> , soooo I have plugged it in .. it actually works ![/color]
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> So who can i sign up with next for some decent free call tim to
> expirement ......[/color]

Sipgate will give you calls to other members and 0800 numbers without
having to add credit. Hopefully your six quid "phone" will work with X-
Lite. Does it have a model number?

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Homeworker wrote:[color=blue]
> I was in a shop and it had a VOIP phone for £6 .. jeex just
> gotta try it , soooo I have plugged it in .. it actually works ![/color]

No, it doesn't. It is mostly just mic and earpiece: it is using the PC
it's plugged into to do all the work. You surely sdon't want to have a
PC running nearby whenever you make or receive a phone call.
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> The phone forces sign up to SKYPE[/color]

Is that the police forces who warn us about being asked to dial *90# ?
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> , now done and
> the line is incredibly clear , its better than my standard
> phone line ...[/color]

That'll be for a skype-skype call, restricted to the Skye nerd-nerd
network. Try calls to or from real phones and it is a different story.
Luckily, with other VOIP systems you can choose the quality you want by
selecting different codecs.

so i am impressed with VOIP ...now for[color=blue]
> the learning curve though ...[/color]

That's the good bit about Skype. It is very Plug 'n Play. It's also a
snag, becasue you'll not have learned anything from using it.
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> now i signed up for account with skype but
> didnt actually give htem ny money or card details
>
> So who can i sign up with next for some decent free call tim to
> expirement ......[/color]

Because Skype is a proprietory system not used by any other supplier,
there is no price competition for Skype call prices. So if you want a
decent deal, you'll have to start again with proper SIP VOIP.

"you'll have to start again with proper SIP VOIP."

you seem knowlegable ! .. are YOU prepared to step me thru it

where would YOU start


"Iain" <no-one@hairydog.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Homeworker wrote:[color=green]
>> I was in a shop and it had a VOIP phone for £6 .. jeex just
>> gotta try it , soooo I have plugged it in .. it actually works ![/color]
>
> No, it doesn't. It is mostly just mic and earpiece: it is using the PC
> it's plugged into to do all the work. You surely sdon't want to have a PC
> running nearby whenever you make or receive a phone call.
>[color=green]
>> The phone forces sign up to SKYPE[/color]
>
> Is that the police forces who warn us about being asked to dial *90# ?
>[color=green]
>> , now done and
>> the line is incredibly clear , its better than my standard
>> phone line ...[/color]
>
> That'll be for a skype-skype call, restricted to the Skye nerd-nerd
> network. Try calls to or from real phones and it is a different story.
> Luckily, with other VOIP systems you can choose the quality you want by
> selecting different codecs.
>
> so i am impressed with VOIP ...now for[color=green]
>> the learning curve though ...[/color]
>
> That's the good bit about Skype. It is very Plug 'n Play. It's also a
> snag, becasue you'll not have learned anything from using it.
>[color=green]
>> now i signed up for account with skype but
>> didnt actually give htem ny money or card details
>>
>> So who can i sign up with next for some decent free call tim to
>> expirement ......[/color]
>
> Because Skype is a proprietory system not used by any other supplier,
> there is no price competition for Skype call prices. So if you want a
> decent deal, you'll have to start again with proper SIP VOIP.[/color]

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:17:12 +0000, Homeworker wrote:
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> "you'll have to start again with proper SIP VOIP."
>
> you seem knowlegable ! .. are YOU prepared to step me thru it
>
> where would YOU start[/color]

Register an account with Sipgate and download X-Lite from them. Simple
as. On the other hand, if Skype does what you want then why bother?

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Homeworker wrote:[color=blue]
> "you'll have to start again with proper SIP VOIP."
>
> you seem knowlegable ! .. are YOU prepared to step me thru it
>
> where would YOU start[/color]

I would either start with voip.co.uk or with sipgate.co.uk, using a
software phone to begin with (you can download x-lite pre-configured for
your Sipgate account from their website, but the setup for voip.co.uk is
even easier)

When I was happy it was working properly, I'd then buy a PAP2T from
Provu and use that, with one or two ordinary phones plugged into it.

thanks i will sign upwith sipgate and start the
learning process
voip.co.uk seem to have a less friendly website , theres nowhere to sign
up thats obvious an residential plans seem to be suspended

PAUL

"Iain" <no-one@hairydog.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Homeworker wrote:[color=green]
>> "you'll have to start again with proper SIP VOIP."
>>
>> you seem knowlegable ! .. are YOU prepared to step me thru it
>>
>> where would YOU start[/color]
>
> I would either start with voip.co.uk or with sipgate.co.uk, using a
> software phone to begin with (you can download x-lite pre-configured for
> your Sipgate account from their website, but the setup for voip.co.uk is
> even easier)
>
> When I was happy it was working properly, I'd then buy a PAP2T from Provu
> and use that, with one or two ordinary phones plugged into it.
>[/color]

Ok Signed up (sip ) xgte lite ..interesting ..inititially its a internal
speaker
/microphone ste up , a i dont have a microphone it didnt work

So i plugged in my cheap £6 phone and it worked , quality of sound
seems great in the six or so test calls so far .i am on a virgin internet
braodband line . Cheap phone keynboard has no effect whatsoever in terms
of using it for calling /adjusting things etc but you can hear and recive
calls
from people ............also it doent ring when the cheap phone is plugged
in ,
neither the xgate lite on screen ,or the cheap phone so ONLY way to tell if
a call is coming in at moment is ON SCREEN

The phone for someone who asked in a previous thread is POWER PLUS
- no model number , it has plin siple red led behind the non existant sceen
and
is white with a silver trim,softwarsomes ona SMALLER than normal cd

I HATE the number that was issued by sipgte , i only had one choice as its
totally
not memorable ...but hey its FREE and i also note now they DONT
transfer/port in BT numbers

Surely somebody Somewhere has put a list of voip features on the web and a
list
of service providers to compare features among suppliers ?



"Iain" <no-one@hairydog.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1200082233.26678.0@damia.uk.clara.net...[color=blue]
> Homeworker wrote:[color=green]
>> "you'll have to start again with proper SIP VOIP."
>>
>> you seem knowlegable ! .. are YOU prepared to step me thru it
>>
>> where would YOU start[/color]
>
> I would either start with voip.co.uk or with sipgate.co.uk, using a
> software phone to begin with (you can download x-lite pre-configured for
> your Sipgate account from their website, but the setup for voip.co.uk is
> even easier)
>
> When I was happy it was working properly, I'd then buy a PAP2T from Provu
> and use that, with one or two ordinary phones plugged into it.
>[/color]

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:52:34 GMT, "Homeworker" <novalid@fakeukadd.com>
wrote:
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>thanks i will sign upwith sipgate and start the
>learning process
>voip.co.uk seem to have a less friendly website , theres nowhere to sign
>up thats obvious an residential plans seem to be suspended[/color]
Seems voip.co.uk no longer want to know about residential customers
I emailed them a week ago and they haven't had the decency to reply,
I have now signed up with voipfone and up to now received good
service.