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[email]voiptalker@gmail.com[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> Ron & Ivor - Ivor & Ron:
>
> Can`t either of you understand that you're BOTH annoying the **** out
> of everybody here? To the casual outsider you're worse than bickering
> kids because you profess to be adults.[/color]

I'd second that.

You are both making this newsgroup unpleasant for the rest of us.

Can't you both resolve to simply not respond to the other?

regards, Ian

"Ian Smith" <news0807REMOVECAPS@orrery.e4ward.com> wrote in
message news:13lbbqenfhrsp39@corp.supernews.com

[snip]

: : Can't you both resolve to simply not respond to the
: : other?
: :
: : regards, Ian

I would if he would, but he won't, so there's no point. Every time I say
something, he will respond, libelling me in the process a lot of the time,
so I have to respond.

If someone posted on here saying unpleasant things about you and your
family, would you just ignore it or let everyone believe it was true..?
Ron keeps telling everyone (amongst other things) that I work for Sipgate,
which I don't, but he's having none of it and every time the company name
comes up he's off, just because he had a bad experience (about 3 years
ago). Apparently it's my fault because I recommended them to him, which I
did, but would you keep up a campaign against me for three years because
the company concerned (not me) annoyed you in some way..?

I can assure you I don't like it any more than you do, but it's me he's
attacking not you and I *will* defend my name, whether you like it or not.
Only he can stop it; if he stops slagging me off every time I say
anything, I will stop responding. But not until then.

Regards

Ivor

Ivor Jones explained :[color=blue]
> if he stops slagging me off every time I say anything, I will stop
> responding. But not until then.[/color]

HE'S ONLY DOING IT TO GET YOU RILED. YOU'RE ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN.

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "Ian Smith" <news0807REMOVECAPS@orrery.e4ward.com> wrote in
> message news:13lbbqenfhrsp39@corp.supernews.com
>
> [snip]
>
> : : Can't you both resolve to simply not respond to the
> : : other?[/color]
[color=blue]
>
> I would if he would, but he won't, so there's no point. Every time I say
> something, he will respond, libelling me in the process a lot of the
> time, so I have to respond.
>
> If someone posted on here saying unpleasant things about you and your
> family, would you just ignore it or let everyone believe it was true..?[/color]

Yes - ignore it! That's exactly what you should do.

You're simply feeding the fire by kicking back.

You said it yourself above "Every time I say something, he will
respond..."

Break the cycle and ignore it. There is nothing more gutting than
shouting an insult at someone and then thinking that no-one heard!

Think of the rest of us - it is now getting very irritating for us all.

regards, Ian

"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.24d17d7c389acb84.48968@blueyonder.invalid
: : Ivor Jones explained :
: : : if he stops slagging me off every time I say
: : : anything, I will stop responding. But not until then.
: :
: : HE'S ONLY DOING IT TO GET YOU RILED. YOU'RE ALLOWING IT
: : TO HAPPEN.

No need to shout. It doesn't matter *why* he's doing it. He is attacking
me; I will *not* allow anyone to do so without responding. Would *you*
allow someone to do so in public wihtout responding..? Well maybe you
would but I will not. I am deeply sorry it is annoying others; I am fed up
with saying that he is the only one who can stop it, but it is a fact.

If you would address a message to *him* saying what you have said to me, I
would believe you are sincere, but as you and every single person so far
has only complained at *me* then I have to conclude you agree with Ron. Do
you..?

Ivor

"Ian Smith" <news0807REMOVECAPS@orrery.e4ward.com> wrote in
message news:13lbfh14ktm044@corp.supernews.com
: : Ivor Jones wrote:
: : : "Ian Smith" <news0807REMOVECAPS@orrery.e4ward.com>
: : : wrote in
: : : message news:13lbbqenfhrsp39@corp.supernews.com
: : :
: : : [snip]
: : :
: : : : : Can't you both resolve to simply not respond to
: : : : : the other?
: :
: : :
: : : I would if he would, but he won't, so there's no
: : : point. Every time I say something, he will respond,
: : : libelling me in the process a lot of the time, so I
: : : have to respond.
: : :
: : : If someone posted on here saying unpleasant things
: : : about you and your family, would you just ignore it
: : : or let everyone believe it was true..?
: :
: : Yes - ignore it! That's exactly what you should do.

I asked if *you* would ignore it..? Would you *really*..? If it went on
day after day, month after month, year after year..?

Will not responding stop him from having a go at me every time I post a
message..? No.

: : You're simply feeding the fire by kicking back.
: :
: : You said it yourself above "Every time I say something,
: : he will respond..."

Which he will, whether I respond or not. Don't forget it's *me* he's
making personal insults at, not you. How would you feel if someone were
continually slagging off you and your family..? Would you ignore it..?
Somehow I doubt it.

: : Break the cycle and ignore it. There is nothing more
: : gutting than shouting an insult at someone and then
: : thinking that no-one heard!

If I thought for a minute it would stop him, I would. But it won't.

: : Think of the rest of us - it is now getting very
: : irritating for us all.

I know, but why are you and everyone else only complaining at me..? I have
not seen a single message saying what you are saying to me addressed to
Ron.

Why is that..? As I said to Jono, if you would post a message to Ron
saying what you have said to me, then I might start to believe you, but so
far it seems to me that everyone else is only complaining at me, not him.

Ivor

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:57:09 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

[color=blue]
> but as you and every single person so far
>has only complained at *me* then I have to conclude you agree with Ron. Do
>you..?[/color]
Because it is YOU that has caused it and you started the ball rolling
three years ago and I have no intention of ending it until YOU go from
here .
The ball is in your court and been there for many months now not mine.

[email]mymail@hotmail.com[/email] explained on 04/12/2007 :[color=blue]
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:57:09 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>> but as you and every single person so far
>> has only complained at *me* then I have to conclude you agree with Ron. Do
>> you..?[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Because it is YOU that has caused it[/color]

IS IT BOLLOCKS.
[color=blue]
> and you started the ball rolling
> three years ago and I have no intention of ending it until YOU go from
> here .[/color]

Only (mainly) when you are corresponding with Ivor, in the groups I
frequent, are you soooooooo tiresome. I have seen many a sensible post
from you & Ivor & wish you would both stay at opposite ends of the
playground.

Any chance you could give it a rest?
[color=blue]
> The ball is in your court and been there for many months now not mine.[/color]

You're both playing the same silly game.

It happens that Ivor Jones formulated :[color=blue]
> "Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
> news:mn.24d17d7c389acb84.48968@blueyonder.invalid
> : : Ivor Jones explained :
> : : : if he stops slagging me off every time I say
> : : : anything, I will stop responding. But not until then.
> : :
> : : HE'S ONLY DOING IT TO GET YOU RILED. YOU'RE ALLOWING IT
> : : TO HAPPEN.
>
> No need to shout.[/color]

Yes there was. It is also the first time I have. Felt I needed to to
get heard over all the noise.
[color=blue]
> It doesn't matter *why* he's doing it.[/color]

Yes it does. The reason *why* he's doing it is to get the reaction
you're giving.
[color=blue]
> He is attacking me;[/color]

But, sticks & stones and all that.....
[color=blue]
> I will *not* allow anyone to do so without responding. Would *you* allow
> someone to do so in public wihtout responding..? Well maybe you would but I
> will not.[/color]

I think I would have realised by now that you're in a version of a
Chinese Finger Trap; that had you ignored the bait you wouldn't still
be in this position.
[color=blue]
> I am deeply sorry it is annoying others;[/color]

Good to hear.
[color=blue]
> I am fed up with saying
> that he is the only one who can stop it, but it is a fact.[/color]

No it's not. The most grown up of the two of you is the one.
[color=blue]
> If you would address a message to *him* saying what you have said to me, I
> would believe you are sincere[/color]

I have rectified that.
[color=blue]
> but as you and every single person so far has
> only complained at *me* then I have to conclude you agree with Ron.[/color]

Agree with him about what?

I simply felt, rightly or wrongly, as I pointed out, that you might be
more reasonable.

[color=blue]
> Do you..?[/color]

I think both of you should stay at opposite ends of the playground.

Ivor Jones wrote :[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Break the cycle and ignore it. There is nothing more
>>> gutting than shouting an insult at someone and then
>>> thinking that no-one heard![/color][/color]
>
> If I thought for a minute it would stop him, I would. But it won't.[/color]

Try it......for 12 months.