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[email]mymail@hotmail.co.uk[/email] declared for all the world to hear...[color=blue][color=green]
> >Ah, hello Ron, wondered where you'd got to. In answer to your question,
> >Vonage don't supply anything for free, they charge you a whopping monthly
> >rental for their so-called wonderful service.[/color][/color]
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> You are so right Ivor a whopping great 27p a day and your are moaning
> about 27p a day yet you can go throwing money away on a trip to poxy
> Bushland .[/color]

A few days ago on uk.t.m Ivor was complaining at having to complete a
GPRS connection using a mobile phone in order to auto-update the date
and time, an operation which would have cost less than 1p.
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Regards
Jon

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:25:55 -0000, Jon <spam@jonparker.plus.com>
wrote:

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>A few days ago on uk.t.m Ivor was complaining at having to complete a
>GPRS connection using a mobile phone in order to auto-update the date
>and time, an operation which would have cost less than 1p.[/color]

Ivor does not like to pay for any telephone calls Jon and seems to
think that the worst voip provider on the planet is bloody marvelous
because it gives out phone numbers for free and masquerades has a UK
based company by having a UK web address .

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:31:54 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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>
>On the contrary, it's nothing like any other VoIP company, with the
>possible exception of Vonage. Although even Vonage use ATA's, though they
>are locked and therefore to be avoided.
>
>Ivor[/color]

Pricewise, per call there is little difference. Thats was what the
question was

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:33:24 GMT, Brian A
<no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:09:33 +0000, alexd <troffasky@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>[color=green]
>>ITF wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:45:29 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>>> <bhx_spam@trapped__hotmail.co.uk> wrote:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>I've not seen anyone mention on here they use Tesco VoIP, though someone
>>>>may pop along eventually.
>>>>
>>>>It's usually one avoided due to being one of the dearest VoIP providers
>>>>along with Skype.
>>>
>>> Why do you say Skype is expensive?[/color]
>>
>>Because Skype is expensive.[/color]
>Agreed.[/color]

No it isn't. Its the same as other VOIP companies.

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:30:21 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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>"ITF" <ignorethefacts-entirely@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>message news:mme3j39lr90has92igcvpqt8aoi7gknj9f@4ax.com
>: : On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:45:29 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>: : <bhx_spam@trapped__hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>: : : It's usually one avoided due to being one of the
>: : : dearest VoIP providers along with Skype.
>: :
>: : Why do you say Skype is expensive?
>
>Erm.. because it is...?[/color]

You ignorance, whilst expected is astounding
Skype Out is the same and in some cases cheaper than certain VOIP
setups

<mymail@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:35o4j35jsg7uo6pu6vs68ajjlspd0p3tfp@4ax.com
: : On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:25:55 -0000, Jon
: : <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote:
: :
: :
: : : A few days ago on uk.t.m Ivor was complaining at
: : : having to complete a GPRS connection using a mobile
: : : phone in order to auto-update the date and time, an
: : : operation which would have cost less than 1p.

Tell the full story, Jon. Orange charge for an operation that most if not
all other operators don't. Why should I pay for something that is free
elsewhere..? The amount is irrelevant. And please explain how the charge
could be *less* than 1p without being zero.

: : Ivor does not like to pay for any telephone calls Jon
: : and seems to think that the worst voip provider on the
: : planet is bloody marvelous because it gives out phone
: : numbers for free and masquerades has a UK based company
: : by having a UK web address .

(a) Please cite *proof* that Sipgate (you do mean them when you say "they"
Ron, don't you..!) are the worst provider on the planet.

(b) They do not masquerade as a UK based company, nothing on their site
says this, the contact details page clearly states where they are based.

I really despair about you, Ron. Only you could turn a debate about Tesco
into a rant against a company you aren't even a customer of.


Ivor

"ITF" <ignorethefacts-entirely@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
message news:2eg5j3hrsjhsheus0ro8r2dvbpb73t94nm@4ax.com
: : On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:31:54 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: :
: : :
: : : On the contrary, it's nothing like any other VoIP
: : : company, with the possible exception of Vonage.
: : : Although even Vonage use ATA's, though they are
: : : locked and therefore to be avoided.
: : :
: : : Ivor
: :
: : Pricewise, per call there is little difference. Thats
: : was what the question was

Maybe, but that's not what you said.

Ivor

"ITF" <ignorethefacts-entirely@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
message news:rgg5j3dhvkholcfja1bf2j43rdgg8sh2uc@4ax.com
: : On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:33:24 GMT, Brian A
: : <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote:
: :
: : : On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:09:33 +0000, alexd
: : : <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote:
: : :
: : : : ITF wrote:
: : : :
: : : : : On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:45:29 GMT,
: : : : : "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
: : : : : <bhx_spam@trapped__hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
: : : :
: : : : : : I've not seen anyone mention on here they use
: : : : : : Tesco VoIP, though someone may pop along
: : : : : : eventually.
: : : : : :
: : : : : : It's usually one avoided due to being one of
: : : : : : the dearest VoIP providers along with Skype.
: : : : :
: : : : : Why do you say Skype is expensive?
: : : :
: : : : Because Skype is expensive.
: : : Agreed.
: :
: : No it isn't. Its the same as other VOIP companies.

Please cite proof.

Ivor

"ITF" <ignorethefacts-entirely@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
message news:mhg5j31hm9c9bu97v2uosf2u011p81r85v@4ax.com
: : On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:30:21 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: :
: : : "ITF" <ignorethefacts-entirely@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
: : : message
: : : news:mme3j39lr90has92igcvpqt8aoi7gknj9f@4ax.com
: : : : : On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:45:29 GMT,
: : : : : "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
: : : : : <bhx_spam@trapped__hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
: : :
: : : [snip]
: : :
: : : : : : It's usually one avoided due to being one of the
: : : : : : dearest VoIP providers along with Skype.
: : : : :
: : : : : Why do you say Skype is expensive?
: : :
: : : Erm.. because it is...?
: :
: : You ignorance, whilst expected is astounding
: : Skype Out is the same and in some cases cheaper than
: : certain VOIP setups

Your spelling is somewhat suspect, along with your argument.

Ivor

ITF wrote:
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> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:33:24 GMT, Brian A
> <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:09:33 +0000, alexd <troffasky@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
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>>>ITF wrote:[/color][/color][/color]
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>>>> Why do you say Skype is expensive?[/color][/color][/color]
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>>>Because Skype is expensive.[/color][/color][/color]
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>>Agreed.[/color][/color]
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> No it isn't. Its the same as other VOIP companies.[/color]

Let's look at the facts, shall we?

UK DDI
Sipgate, 0 quid for the >2 years I've had it
Skype, 29 USD a year

Voicemail
Sipgate, 0 quid for the >2 years I've had it
Skype, 15 EUR a year

Calls to UK geographic
Sipgate, 1.19p/minute
Skype, 1.4p/minute

You can't seriously be suggesting that is 'the same', although your
sobriquet is 'ignore the facts', so who knows.

And a little addendum, Skype will wipe any SkypeOut credit you buy if you
don't use the service often enough, a 'feature' that Sipgate fortunately
haven't adopted.

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