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"T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
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This tread strat to become rather long and complicated to answer the
different questions
Maybe just post a list with each of the questions you have, so that I can
(try) to answer them
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> >You have not configered your FrtitzBox to auto dial outside line.[/color]
> I'm not sure how to do that Philippe (I have looked in all the fields)[/color]

Can't answer as I do not know the version of your FB, the Firmware - and I
don't know the English menus ;)
However you can activate this for each of the extensions, by using a
connected phone
set line 1 to automatic outside line: # 11*1*
set line 2 to automatic outside line: # 12*1*
etc
to revert:
set line 1 to internal dial tone: # 11*0*
set line 2 to internal dial tone: # 12*0*
etc
In all cases dial # 91 ** to save these new settings.
[color=blue]
> MSN? Hmmm, ok, well I have tried connecting the FB to an extension
> of my PABX but not the other way round as yet because we had two PSTN
> lines. Now we only have one that might make more sense, however with
> our current setup we can actually have 3 simultaneous calls, one of 5
> extensions > PABX > BT .. PLUS two extensions off the FB via VoIP (as
> there are 3 of us this is entirely possible all be it fairly
> unlikely).[/color]

If your PABX can handle 2 incoming lines, It would make sense I think to
connect your Box between the BT line and your PABX. Then connect the 2
analogue lines from the FB to your PABX. This will make it possible for all
your PABX extensions to use VOIP and/or BT

However, you can also connect the to an extension of your PABX - as you do
now - and activate "call trough"
This makes it possible to make VOIP calls from your PABX, by dialing the
extension of your FB, hearing the FB dial tone and connect trough VOIP ...
And to make PSTN calls from your FB by dialing the prefix *11# (you will
hear the internal dial tone of your PABX)
[color=blue]
> What we would like (ignoring the idea of integrating the FB on the
> remaining PSTN line for now and working on the understanding that we
> couldn't have two numbers on one Sipgate account. I wasn't sure if we
> could have two FB ports registered to the same account or if both
> lines could make two simultaneous calls via the same Sipgate account /
> number).[/color]

Why not just try it?
I know Sipgate allows 1 account to be registered on different locations.
Each of the registered locations will ring, and the first one who picks up
the call will get the connection.
Therefore I'm convinced that you can register the same Sipgate account
twice. And use the same account simultaneously on 2 lines
(Why should they not allow this, it only increases their income if more
calls ...).

I know that Betamax (e.g. Voipcheap.com) allows the same account to be
registered multiple times
My Voipcheap account is registered 3 times in my FB (to allow different
outgoing CLIP to be displayed)

rgds
Philippe

On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:02:36 +0200, "Philippe Deleye"
<Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote:
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>
>"T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
>news:lcile3t6nnobvug7houbomq3i6qpib67of@4ax.com...
>
>This tread strat to become rather long and complicated to answer the
>different questions
>Maybe just post a list with each of the questions you have, so that I can
>(try) to answer them[/color]

Ok, sorry about that Philippe. I guess it's because I'm unsure of what
fact might relate to another (and the/my questions change as different
people reply) so I put it all in! ;-)[color=blue]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >You have not configered your FrtitzBox to auto dial outside line.[/color]
>> I'm not sure how to do that Philippe (I have looked in all the fields)[/color]
>
>Can't answer as I do not know the version of your FB, the Firmware - and I
>don't know the English menus ;)[/color]

Ok, I think I've found that in:

Settings > Telephony > Extensions > Edit extension details > Extension
Properties > Enable automatic outside dialing (and it works).
[color=blue]
>However you can activate this for each of the extensions, by using a
>connected phone
> set line 1 to automatic outside line: # 11*1*
> set line 2 to automatic outside line: # 12*1*
> etc
>to revert:
> set line 1 to internal dial tone: # 11*0*
> set line 2 to internal dial tone: # 12*0*
> etc
>In all cases dial # 91 ** to save these new settings.[/color]

Ah, I hadn't done that last bit and think I prefer to configure this
sort of thing via the PC if I can (then I can see what I'm doing etc).[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> MSN? Hmmm, ok, well I have tried connecting the FB to an extension
>> of my PABX but not the other way round as yet because we had two PSTN
>> lines. Now we only have one that might make more sense, however with
>> our current setup we can actually have 3 simultaneous calls, one of 5
>> extensions > PABX > BT .. PLUS two extensions off the FB via VoIP (as
>> there are 3 of us this is entirely possible all be it fairly
>> unlikely).[/color]
>
>If your PABX can handle 2 incoming lines, It would make sense I think to
>connect your Box between the BT line and your PABX. Then connect the 2
>analogue lines from the FB to your PABX.[/color]

It can't (it's a 1x5) but as we only have one analogue line now ..
[color=blue]
> This will make it possible for all
>your PABX extensions to use VOIP and/or BT[/color]

Yep, but with my setup only 1 call at a time?[color=blue]
>
>However, you can also connect the to an extension of your PABX - as you do
>now - and activate "call trough"
>This makes it possible to make VOIP calls from your PABX, by dialing the
>extension of your FB, hearing the FB dial tone and connect trough VOIP ...
>And to make PSTN calls from your FB by dialing the prefix *11# (you will
>hear the internal dial tone of your PABX)[/color]

I had to read that several times to get to grips with it! Clever
though. I did have the FB on an extension (no call through enabled)
but there seemed to be an issue with my PABX ringing the extensions
and the FB getting the ringing and passing it through. Our answering
machine (on the PaBX Ext1) has only got a short ring counter.[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> What we would like (ignoring the idea of integrating the FB on the
>> remaining PSTN line for now and working on the understanding that we
>> couldn't have two numbers on one Sipgate account. I wasn't sure if we
>> could have two FB ports registered to the same account or if both
>> lines could make two simultaneous calls via the same Sipgate account /
>> number).[/color]
>
>Why not just try it?[/color]

Well, I suppose I could ..
[color=blue]
>I know Sipgate allows 1 account to be registered on different locations.[/color]

But they would both respond to the same incoming call number I
suppose.
[color=blue]
>Each of the registered locations will ring, and the first one who picks up
>the call will get the connection.[/color]

Understood ..
[color=blue]
>Therefore I'm convinced that you can register the same Sipgate account
>twice. And use the same account simultaneously on 2 lines
>(Why should they not allow this, it only increases their income if more
>calls ...).[/color]

Hmm, I'm going to have to think about this ... so, I suppose what I
*need* is two different numbers for the purposes of incoming calls but
one account that can be used simultaneously (for simple billing)? I
assume a called number would get the number associated with the one
account if we did that though (CLI)?[color=blue]
>
>I know that Betamax (e.g. Voipcheap.com) allows the same account to be
>registered multiple times
>My Voipcheap account is registered 3 times in my FB (to allow different
>outgoing CLIP to be displayed)[/color]

Hmm ...

All the best ..

T i m

"Philippe Deleye" <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote in message
news:46ecff3d$0$13860$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...[color=blue]
>
> "T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:lcile3t6nnobvug7houbomq3i6qpib67of@4ax.com...
>
> This tread strat to become rather long and complicated to answer the
> different questions[/color]



< SNIP >

[color=blue][color=green]
>> MSN? Hmmm, ok, well I have tried connecting the FB to an extension
>> of my PABX but not the other way round as yet because we had two PSTN
>> lines. Now we only have one that might make more sense, however with
>> our current setup we can actually have 3 simultaneous calls, one of 5
>> extensions > PABX > BT .. PLUS two extensions off the FB via VoIP (as
>> there are 3 of us this is entirely possible all be it fairly
>> unlikely).[/color]
>
> If your PABX can handle 2 incoming lines, It would make sense I think to
> connect your Box between the BT line and your PABX. Then connect the 2
> analogue lines from the FB to your PABX. This will make it possible for
> all
> your PABX extensions to use VOIP and/or BT
>
> However, you can also connect the to an extension of your PABX - as you do
> now - and activate "call trough"
> This makes it possible to make VOIP calls from your PABX, by dialing the
> extension of your FB, hearing the FB dial tone and connect trough VOIP ...
> And to make PSTN calls from your FB by dialing the prefix *11# (you will
> hear the internal dial tone of your PABX)
>[/color]


Hi,


Sorry to interject on this sub-thread and as you say Philippe, it is getting
a bit long and / or confused, etc. - but anyhow... last jump in on this
sub-thread for now(!), ...

Does the FB allow remote through dialling? E.g. At PC away from FB. Dial a
VoIP account registered with the FB, FB rings, FB then presents dialtone and
allows onward dialling through attached PSTN line?

Further, what signalling does it support for external line dialling? E.g. if
it was ISDN I expect it would provide full signalling - dialling, ringing,
answered, etc. How or what does it do if connected to a POTS line
(particularly in terms of call progress / status signalling, etc.)?

Thanks so much, best wishes and all your help is greatly appreciated.


Best wishes,




News Reader


P.s. On the multiple SIP accounts thing - I am pretty sure SipGate allow
multiple registrations, as Philippe suggests, at least from different
locations - hence multiple incoming ringing. As for outgoing I am not so
sure - but definitely some SIP providers do - again as Philippe states,
generally it makes sense for most SIP providers as it increases potential
revenue. Try it is probably the best plan :) .

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>
>Sorry to interject on this sub-thread and as you say Philippe, it is getting
>a bit long and / or confused, etc. - but anyhow... last jump in on this
>sub-thread for now(!), ...
>
>Does the FB allow remote through dialling? E.g. At PC away from FB. Dial a
>VoIP account registered with the FB, FB rings, FB then presents dialtone and
>allows onward dialling through attached PSTN line?[/color]
If you bring up the Fritzbox 'control', in your browser, and select
'Telephone Book', then click once, on the required number, it will
dial the number for you. I don't see a way of doing exactly as you
would like.[color=blue]
>Further, what signalling does it support for external line dialling? E.g. if
>it was ISDN I expect it would provide full signalling - dialling, ringing,
>answered, etc. How or what does it do if connected to a POTS line
>(particularly in terms of call progress / status signalling, etc.)?[/color]
[color=blue]
>P.s. On the multiple SIP accounts thing - I am pretty sure SipGate allow
>multiple registrations, as Philippe suggests, at least from different
>locations - hence multiple incoming ringing. As for outgoing I am not so
>sure - but definitely some SIP providers do - again as Philippe states,
>generally it makes sense for most SIP providers as it increases potential
>revenue. Try it is probably the best plan :) .
>[/color]

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: : : P.s. On the multiple SIP accounts thing - I am pretty
: : : sure SipGate allow multiple registrations, as
: : : Philippe suggests, at least from different locations
: : : - hence multiple incoming ringing. As for outgoing I
: : : am not so sure - but definitely some SIP providers do
: : : - again as Philippe states, generally it makes sense
: : : for most SIP providers as it increases potential
: : : revenue. Try it is probably the best plan :) .

Yes it does, and it isn't necessary to have different (public) IP
addresses either. I can have my Fritz on as normal and also run X-Pro or
whatever on my laptop simultaneously with the laptop connected over Wi-Fi
to the Fritz. Both ring for calls and I can call out from either and even
ring from one Sipgate number to another (although I don't usually talk to
myself, except when testing stuff..!)

I can also use the laptop when travelling and leave the stuff on at home,
very useful for calling back home from overseas for free :-)


Ivor