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"T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:46:47 +0200, "Philippe Deleye"
> <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
>>news:ijuie3d9t7o5v647ies97vegqgea039ld7@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Our daughter has just tried to dial out through our FritzBox > Sipgate
>>> (333 free mins) but the handset (Fon2) just beeps 3 tones, gap, 3
>>> tones gap? Same on my handset / account (Fon1) with credit.
>>>
>>> I can't find any mention of tone combinations in the manual so just
>>> tried setting up a short code and that dials out ok, as does using the
>>> *12x#<number> format.[/color]
>>
>>You have not configered your FrtitzBox to auto dial outside line.[/color]
>
> Ah, ok ..
>[color=green]
>>This has to be configuered for each of your analogue lines.
>>Therefore, the tone you hear is the *internal* dial tone.
>>This explains why you can use short codes and the *12x#<number> format.
>>
>>Your problem will be solved either
>> - by dialing "0" for outside line,
>> then dial your outgoing number, or[/color]
>
> I've just tried that .. nice .. ;-)
>[color=green]
>> - by configuring FB to autodial outside line[/color]
>
> I'm not sure how to do that Philippe (I have looked in all the
> fields).[color=green]
>>
>>To test my assumption, just dial "2" with line 1: analogue phone 2 will
>>ring
>>Or dial "1" with the 2nd line ....[/color]
>
> Yep, that works as assumed ;-)[color=green]
>>
>>In case the FB is configured for direct outside line, you can swich back
>>to
>>the internal dial tone, either
>> - by dialing ** (dial **1 to make internal connection with line 1)[/color]
>
> This works (well the dial tone changes to continuous bleeping (no 3 on
> 3 off pattern) but doesn't hold if you drop the line and pick it up
> again?
>
> or[color=green]
>> - by pressing "R" button on your phone (flash)[/color]
>
> That doesn't seem to do anything?
>
> I'm not sure what's configured in the FV as yet as I can't see where
> to set it?[color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I thought we concluded that the FritzBox would 'assume' the first
>>> account for use of Fon1 and the second for Fon2 (so you didn't have to
>>> do the *121' or *122# bit) for outgoing calls and that it worked the
>>> other day but now it doesn't?[/color]
>>
>>This assumption is wrong, but you can configure your FritzBox to make
>>above
>>happening
>>You need to configure line 1 to pick the 1st VOIP account by default
>>You need to configure line 2 to pick the 2nd VOIP account by default[/color]
>
> Ok, if by 'pickup' you are talking incoming calls Philippe then I have
> done that and it works ok.
>[color=green]
>>If you have connected a ISDN phone or PABX to your FB (internal S0) then
>>the
>>outgoing MSN rules the VOIP account to be used[/color]
>
> MSN? Hmmm, ok, well I have tried connecting the FB to an extension
> of my PABX but not the other way round as yet because we had two PSTN
> lines. Now we only have one that might make more sense, however with
> our current setup we can actually have 3 simultaneous calls, one of 5
> extensions > PABX > BT .. PLUS two extensions off the FB via VoIP (as
> there are 3 of us this is entirely possible all be it fairly
> unlikely).[color=green]
>>
>>The default allocation of accounts to specific phone can be overwritten
>>either
>> - by setting rules in your dial plan (e.g. all numbers starting with
>>0800 go trough Sipgate), or
>> - by using the *12x#<number> format. The latter overrules alos the
>>dialing rules[/color]
>
> Hmmm, I'm not sure there is a configuration combination that would
> work for us as we could both dial anything?
>
> What we would like (ignoring the idea of integrating the FB on the
> remaining PSTN line for now and working on the understanding that we
> couldn't have two numbers on one Sipgate account. I wasn't sure if we
> could have two FB ports registered to the same account or if both
> lines could make two simultaneous calls via the same Sipgate account /
> number).
>
> Fon1 on FB to always / only [1] dial out using Sipgate account 1 and
> always accept incoming calls to <SipgateNumber1> (*My* VoIP 'line')
>
> Fon2 on FB to always / only [1] dial out using Sipgate account 2 and
> always accept incoming calls to <SipgateNumber2> (*Daughters* VoIP
> 'line')[color=green]
>>
>>Trust this helps[/color]
>
> I think it does Philippe .. !
>
> All the best ..
>
> T i m
>
> [1] No access from FB to local PSTN[/color]


Hi,


Sounds like you have a very good grasp of the overall ideas and concepts
Tim.

I should think the FB would be able to do almost anything you want - it
seems to be almost infinitely flexible.

lol... I want one ! ;) .


Best wishes,



News Reader


P.s. I think the only issue is knowing how to configure it! [ / and / or
mastering configuration of dialling plans, etc. ] .

"News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:lcile3t6nnobvug7houbomq3i6qpib67of@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:46:47 +0200, "Philippe Deleye"
>> <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>"T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:ijuie3d9t7o5v647ies97vegqgea039ld7@4ax.com...
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Our daughter has just tried to dial out through our FritzBox > Sipgate
>>>> (333 free mins) but the handset (Fon2) just beeps 3 tones, gap, 3
>>>> tones gap? Same on my handset / account (Fon1) with credit.
>>>>
>>>> I can't find any mention of tone combinations in the manual so just
>>>> tried setting up a short code and that dials out ok, as does using the
>>>> *12x#<number> format.
>>>
>>>You have not configered your FrtitzBox to auto dial outside line.[/color]
>>
>> Ah, ok ..
>>[color=darkred]
>>>This has to be configuered for each of your analogue lines.
>>>Therefore, the tone you hear is the *internal* dial tone.
>>>This explains why you can use short codes and the *12x#<number> format.
>>>
>>>Your problem will be solved either
>>> - by dialing "0" for outside line,
>>> then dial your outgoing number, or[/color]
>>
>> I've just tried that .. nice .. ;-)
>>[color=darkred]
>>> - by configuring FB to autodial outside line[/color]
>>
>> I'm not sure how to do that Philippe (I have looked in all the
>> fields).[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>To test my assumption, just dial "2" with line 1: analogue phone 2 will
>>>ring
>>>Or dial "1" with the 2nd line ....[/color]
>>
>> Yep, that works as assumed ;-)[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>In case the FB is configured for direct outside line, you can swich back
>>>to
>>>the internal dial tone, either
>>> - by dialing ** (dial **1 to make internal connection with line 1)[/color]
>>
>> This works (well the dial tone changes to continuous bleeping (no 3 on
>> 3 off pattern) but doesn't hold if you drop the line and pick it up
>> again?
>>
>> or[color=darkred]
>>> - by pressing "R" button on your phone (flash)[/color]
>>
>> That doesn't seem to do anything?
>>
>> I'm not sure what's configured in the FV as yet as I can't see where
>> to set it?[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>> I thought we concluded that the FritzBox would 'assume' the first
>>>> account for use of Fon1 and the second for Fon2 (so you didn't have to
>>>> do the *121' or *122# bit) for outgoing calls and that it worked the
>>>> other day but now it doesn't?
>>>
>>>This assumption is wrong, but you can configure your FritzBox to make
>>>above
>>>happening
>>>You need to configure line 1 to pick the 1st VOIP account by default
>>>You need to configure line 2 to pick the 2nd VOIP account by default[/color]
>>
>> Ok, if by 'pickup' you are talking incoming calls Philippe then I have
>> done that and it works ok.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>If you have connected a ISDN phone or PABX to your FB (internal S0) then
>>>the
>>>outgoing MSN rules the VOIP account to be used[/color]
>>
>> MSN? Hmmm, ok, well I have tried connecting the FB to an extension
>> of my PABX but not the other way round as yet because we had two PSTN
>> lines. Now we only have one that might make more sense, however with
>> our current setup we can actually have 3 simultaneous calls, one of 5
>> extensions > PABX > BT .. PLUS two extensions off the FB via VoIP (as
>> there are 3 of us this is entirely possible all be it fairly
>> unlikely).[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>The default allocation of accounts to specific phone can be overwritten
>>>either
>>> - by setting rules in your dial plan (e.g. all numbers starting with
>>>0800 go trough Sipgate), or
>>> - by using the *12x#<number> format. The latter overrules alos the
>>>dialing rules[/color]
>>
>> Hmmm, I'm not sure there is a configuration combination that would
>> work for us as we could both dial anything?
>>
>> What we would like (ignoring the idea of integrating the FB on the
>> remaining PSTN line for now and working on the understanding that we
>> couldn't have two numbers on one Sipgate account. I wasn't sure if we
>> could have two FB ports registered to the same account or if both
>> lines could make two simultaneous calls via the same Sipgate account /
>> number).
>>
>> Fon1 on FB to always / only [1] dial out using Sipgate account 1 and
>> always accept incoming calls to <SipgateNumber1> (*My* VoIP 'line')
>>
>> Fon2 on FB to always / only [1] dial out using Sipgate account 2 and
>> always accept incoming calls to <SipgateNumber2> (*Daughters* VoIP
>> 'line')[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>Trust this helps[/color]
>>
>> I think it does Philippe .. !
>>
>> All the best ..
>>
>> T i m
>>
>> [1] No access from FB to local PSTN[/color]
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> Sounds like you have a very good grasp of the overall ideas and concepts
> Tim.
>
> I should think the FB would be able to do almost anything you want - it
> seems to be almost infinitely flexible.
>
> lol... I want one ! ;) .
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> News Reader
>
>
> P.s. I think the only issue is knowing how to configure it! [ / and / or
> mastering configuration of dialling plans, etc. ] .[/color]

I actually think the Fritz is very intuitive (not difficult to learn), but
that means of course that it is less customisable. For example, dial plans
are a lot less fiddly than with other atas but you can't modify the
dialstring so I have taken to using Voxalot.

A good bit of kit nonetheless. The main thing going for it is that it just
works

"Herman" <whhitehousemadhouse-2005@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
> news:TPWGi.762$X%4.174@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...[color=green]
>>
>> "T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
>> news:lcile3t6nnobvug7houbomq3i6qpib67of@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:46:47 +0200, "Philippe Deleye"
>>> <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
>>>>news:ijuie3d9t7o5v647ies97vegqgea039ld7@4ax.com...
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Our daughter has just tried to dial out through our FritzBox > Sipgate
>>>>> (333 free mins) but the handset (Fon2) just beeps 3 tones, gap, 3
>>>>> tones gap? Same on my handset / account (Fon1) with credit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't find any mention of tone combinations in the manual so just
>>>>> tried setting up a short code and that dials out ok, as does using the
>>>>> *12x#<number> format.
>>>>
>>>>You have not configered your FrtitzBox to auto dial outside line.
>>>
>>> Ah, ok ..
>>>
>>>>This has to be configuered for each of your analogue lines.
>>>>Therefore, the tone you hear is the *internal* dial tone.
>>>>This explains why you can use short codes and the *12x#<number> format.
>>>>
>>>>Your problem will be solved either
>>>> - by dialing "0" for outside line,
>>>> then dial your outgoing number, or
>>>
>>> I've just tried that .. nice .. ;-)
>>>
>>>> - by configuring FB to autodial outside line
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how to do that Philippe (I have looked in all the
>>> fields).
>>>>
>>>>To test my assumption, just dial "2" with line 1: analogue phone 2 will
>>>>ring
>>>>Or dial "1" with the 2nd line ....
>>>
>>> Yep, that works as assumed ;-)
>>>>
>>>>In case the FB is configured for direct outside line, you can swich back
>>>>to
>>>>the internal dial tone, either
>>>> - by dialing ** (dial **1 to make internal connection with line 1)
>>>
>>> This works (well the dial tone changes to continuous bleeping (no 3 on
>>> 3 off pattern) but doesn't hold if you drop the line and pick it up
>>> again?
>>>
>>> or
>>>> - by pressing "R" button on your phone (flash)
>>>
>>> That doesn't seem to do anything?
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what's configured in the FV as yet as I can't see where
>>> to set it?
>>>>
>>>>> I thought we concluded that the FritzBox would 'assume' the first
>>>>> account for use of Fon1 and the second for Fon2 (so you didn't have to
>>>>> do the *121' or *122# bit) for outgoing calls and that it worked the
>>>>> other day but now it doesn't?
>>>>
>>>>This assumption is wrong, but you can configure your FritzBox to make
>>>>above
>>>>happening
>>>>You need to configure line 1 to pick the 1st VOIP account by default
>>>>You need to configure line 2 to pick the 2nd VOIP account by default
>>>
>>> Ok, if by 'pickup' you are talking incoming calls Philippe then I have
>>> done that and it works ok.
>>>
>>>>If you have connected a ISDN phone or PABX to your FB (internal S0) then
>>>>the
>>>>outgoing MSN rules the VOIP account to be used
>>>
>>> MSN? Hmmm, ok, well I have tried connecting the FB to an extension
>>> of my PABX but not the other way round as yet because we had two PSTN
>>> lines. Now we only have one that might make more sense, however with
>>> our current setup we can actually have 3 simultaneous calls, one of 5
>>> extensions > PABX > BT .. PLUS two extensions off the FB via VoIP (as
>>> there are 3 of us this is entirely possible all be it fairly
>>> unlikely).
>>>>
>>>>The default allocation of accounts to specific phone can be overwritten
>>>>either
>>>> - by setting rules in your dial plan (e.g. all numbers starting with
>>>>0800 go trough Sipgate), or
>>>> - by using the *12x#<number> format. The latter overrules alos the
>>>>dialing rules
>>>
>>> Hmmm, I'm not sure there is a configuration combination that would
>>> work for us as we could both dial anything?
>>>
>>> What we would like (ignoring the idea of integrating the FB on the
>>> remaining PSTN line for now and working on the understanding that we
>>> couldn't have two numbers on one Sipgate account. I wasn't sure if we
>>> could have two FB ports registered to the same account or if both
>>> lines could make two simultaneous calls via the same Sipgate account /
>>> number).
>>>
>>> Fon1 on FB to always / only [1] dial out using Sipgate account 1 and
>>> always accept incoming calls to <SipgateNumber1> (*My* VoIP 'line')
>>>
>>> Fon2 on FB to always / only [1] dial out using Sipgate account 2 and
>>> always accept incoming calls to <SipgateNumber2> (*Daughters* VoIP
>>> 'line')
>>>>
>>>>Trust this helps
>>>
>>> I think it does Philippe .. !
>>>
>>> All the best ..
>>>
>>> T i m
>>>
>>> [1] No access from FB to local PSTN[/color]
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> Sounds like you have a very good grasp of the overall ideas and concepts
>> Tim.
>>
>> I should think the FB would be able to do almost anything you want - it
>> seems to be almost infinitely flexible.
>>
>> lol... I want one ! ;) .
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>>
>>
>> News Reader
>>
>>
>> P.s. I think the only issue is knowing how to configure it! [ / and / or
>> mastering configuration of dialling plans, etc. ] .[/color]
>
> I actually think the Fritz is very intuitive (not difficult to learn), but
> that means of course that it is less customisable. For example, dial
> plans are a lot less fiddly than with other atas but you can't modify the
> dialstring so I have taken to using Voxalot.
>
> A good bit of kit nonetheless. The main thing going for it is that it
> just works
>[/color]


Hi,


Hmm... interesting Herman...

I was lead to believe that it was a very flexible piece of kit but rather
hard to configure as a result.... perhaps in the dial string area this is
not so true...

.... but with support for ADSL modem disabling, and switch port 1 enabling to
WAN access; and so many switchable options, etc.; I thought my view was more
accurate.

If what you suggest is more accurate then I may be all the more tempted -
although personally (, provided sufficient support - official and
unofficial, and documentation, etc.) I would prefer the maximally
configurable if a bit less user friendly (albeit ideally both user friendly
and highly flexible and configurable, etc.).

However, I think what you suggest probably depends on getting both a UK
rather than Deutsch / EU version and a PSTN rather than ISDN model.

Maybe less easy going with one in German...

Perhaps you can make any suggestions concerning purchase of a German model
(which I understand are ISDN as standard) and use thereof in the UK with
PSTN and possibility of flashing to identical full UK language version, etc.
Also detailing any operational differences, caveats, etc. (particularly
vis-a-vis the flashing, German vs. English differences and ISDN vs. PSTN
phone ports and landline patch through connection, etc.).

:) - lol . Probably more than just a silly project idea ;) .


Best wishes,



News Reader

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:58:43 GMT, "News Reader" <no@email.invalid>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Sounds like you have a very good grasp of the overall ideas and concepts
>Tim.[/color]

Ok thanks, but as we know the devil is in the detail. ;-(

Much as though I've grown to like the FB I can remember very vividly
the issues I had setting it up, not something I've had with a router
for many years now. This was mainly down to (I believe) the box
origination from Germany where ISDN / ADSL is much more common and
cable (like mine) comparatively rare. This means to support the nearly
'undocumented' use of cable you have to do things with / to the router
to get it configured that you wouldn't normally. Then there was the
lack of help with the manual and much of the online help. That
reminded me of the sort of help you got with PC BIOS's:

"Differential oscillator write back speed.

<Help> This allows you to set the Differential oscillator write back
speed" (Yeah, I know, but wtf is it!).[color=blue]
>
>I should think the FB would be able to do almost anything you want - it
>seems to be almost infinitely flexible.[/color]

Seems so so far, but again, much of that is knowing what you are
aiming for. When I first started installing ADSL routers the routers
were less 'friendly' and it seemed you had to set 100 fields just to
make them work (again, little was 'intuitive'). Soon you reaslised you
actually only had to set maybe 3 or 4 fields to make it actually
'work'. With the network side it's pretty straightforward with the FB
(cable accepting [1]) but many of the Fon settings interact, get one
field wrong and another 3 simply don't do anything.[color=blue]
>
>lol... I want one ! ;) .[/color]

Well as I said I think I'm getting more and more comfortable with mine
but really feel some of the documentation needs sorting to really help
those of us that want actual answers rather than just statements that
a field exists. It's not 'terrible' in this respect, just not 'good'
maybe?

I worked for BT for 5 years (although in Electronics / Datacomms
repair rather that telephony) and have been a basic networks engineer
for some time but until now haven't really come across VoIP outside of
configuring the mating ports on a pair of Muxes, or using Skype or
Teamspeak in online games etc. This means that the 'optionsl' of VoIP
(the way the different service providers do or don't interact, the
options on the kit / software) is as 'familiar' to me as Linux ..
(ie, it's ok when it works but when it doesn't I'm sorta lost).[color=blue]
>
>
>P.s. I think the only issue is knowing how to configure it! [ / and / or
>mastering configuration of dialling plans, etc. ] .[/color]

Yep and something once explained properly to me I'm pretty sure I will
'get' but at the moment I still feel very much in the dark with the
detail ..

All the best ..

T i m

[1] I fed-back to AVM that there was hardly a mention of the FB's
ability to be used over a cable modem. Not in the manual, help or
online. They agreed and gave me a voucher for 333 'minutes' but I'm
still not sure what that actually was as they all seem to have run out
and we have only used 10 of them (and it's only a couple of weeks
since we activated it). :-(

"News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
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[color=blue]
> I should think the FB would be able to do almost anything you want - it
> seems to be almost infinitely flexible.
>
> lol... I want one ! ;) .[/color]

Plenty for sale on e-bay.de (they go ca 60 EUR)
only two backsides if you buy 2nd hand German boxes:
1) all menus in german
2) ADSL is Annex B
Both for which (non-official) firmware fixes available ..

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:02:25 GMT, "Herman"
<whhitehousemadhouse-2005@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

[color=blue][color=green]
>> P.s. I think the only issue is knowing how to configure it! [ / and / or
>> mastering configuration of dialling plans, etc. ] .[/color]
>
>I actually think the Fritz is very intuitive (not difficult to learn), but
>that means of course that it is less customisable.[/color]

I agree for most of the more basic things but 1) not if you use cable
or 2) if you don't understand the less common terminology .. like:

" Perform ENUM requests yes / no.

(An ENUM request will be performed before the number is dialed. The
Internet number listed in the domain will then be used to dial the
number.)"

That doesn't explain much to me? :-(

Or something that I believe may impact us ..

"Enable automatic outside dialing
Connect to an outside line as soon as the headset is picked up.

(When this option is activated, it is no longer necessary to add the
prefix for outside line access ("0") when dialing outside numbers. You
hear a dialing tone immediately when you pick up the receiver.

When automatic outside dialing is enabled, you must first dial the "R"
button or hit the "*" key twice before dialing internal numbers.

When automatic outside dialing is not enabled, the extension functions
as a PBX line. When the receiver is picked up on the corresponding
extension, the PBX’s internal dial tone is heard. If you want to make
an external call, you must dial "0" before the number. Internal calls
are placed simply by dialing the internal number)."

Ok, I actually understand most of that but for example I am not clear
how any of that differs if you don't have an analogue external line?

Also, does using the 0 for outside like preclude the automatic use of
VoIP account1 for outgoing Fon1, account2 for Fon2 etc?
[color=blue]
> For example, dial plans
>are a lot less fiddly than with other atas but you can't modify the
>dialstring so I have taken to using Voxalot.[/color]

Luckily at the moment I've not come across that so am innocent of the
'issues' ;-)[color=blue]
>
>A good bit of kit nonetheless. The main thing going for it is that it just
>works
>[/color]
Yep, and that feature that was right at the top of my wish list and so
far (touching wood) it's stayed there. ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

"News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> However, I think what you suggest probably depends on getting both a UK
> rather than Deutsch / EU version and a PSTN rather than ISDN model.
>[/color]

There is one big misunderstanding about the German Fritzboxes beeing a "ISDN
Model"
Please note that all FritzBoxes work on both PSTN and ISDN
* all Boxes have a ISDN and analogue input. Therefore you can run them on
a ISDN line and/or a analogue line (even both, but this is an undocumented
feature)
* all Boxes have ISDN and analogue outputs (up to 3 analogue): you can
run analogue phones, ISDN phines or a ISDN PABX behind the FritzBox
Note that this even allows to run a ISDN PABX behind a analogue BT telephone
line.

However, all german boxes are set to ADSL "Annex B"
In Germany, all ADSL lines are "Annex B" (both ADSL over a analogue line, as
ADSL over a ISDN line)
In the UK (also Belgiu, Netherlands ...) the phone companies have decided to
use "Annex A" over analogue lines, and "Annex B" over ISDN lines.
Hence the big misunderstanding. Altough "Annex A" or "Annex B" have -
strictly spoken - nothing to do with analogue or ISDN, it is the way how BT
(and other European providers) operates ADSL.
Hence ADSL over a analogue line (Annex A) will not function on German boxes
(set to Annex B)

Please note that Annex A or B is completely irrelevant if you use the FB on
a existing internet connection (e.g. behind a cable modem, or as "client"
behind an existing router

Philippe (Belgium)

"T i m" <news@spaced.me.uk> wrote in message
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[color=blue]
> " Perform ENUM requests yes / no.
>
> (An ENUM request will be performed before the number is dialed. The
> Internet number listed in the domain will then be used to dial the
> number.)"
> That doesn't explain much to me? :-([/color]

If you dial my phone number fro your FB, the call will not go trough your
VOIP provider (e.g. Sipgate), but your FB will make a direct connection with
my GritzBox (because my number is registered in ENUM)
[color=blue]
> Also, does using the 0 for outside like preclude the automatic use of
> VoIP account1 for outgoing Fon1, account2 for Fon2 etc?[/color]

Not at all

"Philippe Deleye" <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote in message
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>
> "News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
> news:lmZGi.709$aN2.455@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...[color=green]
>>
>> However, I think what you suggest probably depends on getting both a UK
>> rather than Deutsch / EU version and a PSTN rather than ISDN model.
>>[/color]
>
> There is one big misunderstanding about the German Fritzboxes beeing a
> "ISDN
> Model"
> Please note that all FritzBoxes work on both PSTN and ISDN
> * all Boxes have a ISDN and analogue input. Therefore you can run them
> on
> a ISDN line and/or a analogue line (even both, but this is an undocumented
> feature)
> * all Boxes have ISDN and analogue outputs (up to 3 analogue): you can
> run analogue phones, ISDN phines or a ISDN PABX behind the FritzBox
> Note that this even allows to run a ISDN PABX behind a analogue BT
> telephone
> line.
>
> However, all german boxes are set to ADSL "Annex B"
> In Germany, all ADSL lines are "Annex B" (both ADSL over a analogue line,
> as
> ADSL over a ISDN line)
> In the UK (also Belgiu, Netherlands ...) the phone companies have decided
> to
> use "Annex A" over analogue lines, and "Annex B" over ISDN lines.
> Hence the big misunderstanding. Altough "Annex A" or "Annex B" have -
> strictly spoken - nothing to do with analogue or ISDN, it is the way how
> BT
> (and other European providers) operates ADSL.
> Hence ADSL over a analogue line (Annex A) will not function on German
> boxes
> (set to Annex B)
>
> Please note that Annex A or B is completely irrelevant if you use the FB
> on
> a existing internet connection (e.g. behind a cable modem, or as "client"
> behind an existing router
>
> Philippe (Belgium)
>
>[/color]


Hi,


Their was suddenly quite a barrage of detailed posts - has taken me a while
to get round to reviewing, etc.

I think the big questions for me are...

1) on a German model - will the ADSL not work in the UK?
2) can you flash a German model with English firmware so you can read the
menus, etc. (will this break some things?, etc.)
3) great that you can use any external line ISDN or POTS and likewise for
the attached phones
4) I think it sounds nice - assuming the bits about the firmware and
English, etc. - at the price these seem to be available from Germany, I
don't mind having to use it in Port 1 WAN mode and disable the internal ADSL
modem.


Think that was most of what I wanted to ask (I bet it is not - and I will
remember something else after this thread has finished... and you seem very
knowledgeable so... hmm - oh well if I have further questions I will
hopefully catch you another time :) ).


Best wishes and many thanks,



News Reader


P.s. Someone mentioned that if using the FB in port 1 WAN mode (ADSL modem
disabled) it behaves strangely or impacts other operating - can you comment
on any of this?
P.p.s. Can you enable / disable the routing function so it acts just as an
ATA through the WAN port 1? Also, is it a good router (DMZ, rules, stateful
packet inspection firewall, etc., etc.)? Thanks very much again and in
advance :) .

"News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
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: : "Philippe Deleye"
: : <Philippe.Deleye@blablabla.advalvas.be> wrote in
: : message
: : news:46ecf628$0$13849$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
: : :
: : : "News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote in message
: : : news:lmZGi.709$aN2.455@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
: : : :
: : : : However, I think what you suggest probably depends
: : : : on getting both a UK rather than Deutsch / EU
: : : : version and a PSTN rather than ISDN model.
: : : :
: : :
: : : There is one big misunderstanding about the German
: : : Fritzboxes beeing a "ISDN
: : : Model"
: : : Please note that all FritzBoxes work on both PSTN and
: : : ISDN * all Boxes have a ISDN and analogue input.
: : : Therefore you can run them
: : : on
: : : a ISDN line and/or a analogue line (even both, but
: : : this is an undocumented feature)
: : : * all Boxes have ISDN and analogue outputs (up to 3
: : : analogue): you can run analogue phones, ISDN phines
: : : or a ISDN PABX behind the FritzBox
: : : Note that this even allows to run a ISDN PABX behind
: : : a analogue BT telephone
: : : line.
: : :
: : : However, all german boxes are set to ADSL "Annex B"
: : : In Germany, all ADSL lines are "Annex B" (both ADSL
: : : over a analogue line, as
: : : ADSL over a ISDN line)
: : : In the UK (also Belgiu, Netherlands ...) the phone
: : : companies have decided to
: : : use "Annex A" over analogue lines, and "Annex B" over
: : : ISDN lines.
: : : Hence the big misunderstanding. Altough "Annex A" or
: : : "Annex B" have - strictly spoken - nothing to do with
: : : analogue or ISDN, it is the way how BT
: : : (and other European providers) operates ADSL.
: : : Hence ADSL over a analogue line (Annex A) will not
: : : function on German boxes
: : : (set to Annex B)
: : :
: : : Please note that Annex A or B is completely
: : : irrelevant if you use the FB on
: : : a existing internet connection (e.g. behind a cable
: : : modem, or as "client" behind an existing router
: : :
: : : Philippe (Belgium)
: : :
: : :
: :
: :
: : Hi,
: :
: :
: : Their was suddenly quite a barrage of detailed posts -
: : has taken me a while to get round to reviewing, etc.
: :
: : I think the big questions for me are...
: :
: : 1) on a German model - will the ADSL not work in the UK?

No. Germany uses Annex B, the UK Annex A.

: : 2) can you flash a German model with English firmware
: : so you can read the menus, etc. (will this break some
: : things?, etc.)

No and yes.

: : 3) great that you can use any external
: : line ISDN or POTS and likewise for the attached phones
: : 4) I think it sounds nice - assuming the bits about the
: : firmware and English, etc. - at the price these seem to
: : be available from Germany, I don't mind having to use
: : it in Port 1 WAN mode and disable the internal ADSL
: : modem.

What model do you want..? All except the 7170 are currently available in
Annex A and the 7170 should be soon, according to AVM.

Ivor