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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Harry Stottle <sorryspamdoesntwork@nospam.uk.co> wrote:
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> "Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:5ib4vcF3ojcmtU1@mid.individual.net...[color=green]
>>
>> So how do you define 'advert'? I would expect an advert to include a
>> description of the product, a price, and contact details of the
>> seller.
>>[/color]
>
> As Roger Mills and Abo appear to be the same person, I refer you to
> the paragraph above your latest comment, I am certainly not going to
> argue with the same person using different identities.
>
> You have previously asked for, and received, some very detailed advice
> from members of this group when you have posted under the name of
> Roger Mills, but now you want to treat those same members with
> contempt by not accepting the group's charter, and also try and
> deceive them by pretending to be someone else whilst advertising in
> the group.[/color]

What in the hell are you on about?! I don't know Abo from Adam - or
Aristotle for that matter!

He/she asked a question. I provided a common-sense answer devoid of
nit-picking legalese and without trying to make charters cover something
they're not intended to cover.

I am personally not selling anything on Ebay - but if someone else *is*
selling something relevant to this NG and wishes to draw attention to it
here, then good luck to them.

And before you accuse me of being someone else again, you'd better find some
evidence - which will be difficult because there isn't any!
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Roger
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"Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:5ic1v2F3ouhitU1@mid.individual.net...[color=blue]
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Harry Stottle <sorryspamdoesntwork@nospam.uk.co> wrote:
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>> "Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5ib4vcF3ojcmtU1@mid.individual.net...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> So how do you define 'advert'? I would expect an advert to include a
>>> description of the product, a price, and contact details of the
>>> seller.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> As Roger Mills and Abo appear to be the same person, I refer you to
>> the paragraph above your latest comment, I am certainly not going to
>> argue with the same person using different identities.
>>
>> You have previously asked for, and received, some very detailed
>> advice
>> from members of this group when you have posted under the name of
>> Roger Mills, but now you want to treat those same members with
>> contempt by not accepting the group's charter, and also try and
>> deceive them by pretending to be someone else whilst advertising in
>> the group.[/color]
>
> What in the hell are you on about?! I don't know Abo from Adam - or
> Aristotle for that matter!
>
> He/she asked a question. I provided a common-sense answer devoid of
> nit-picking legalese and without trying to make charters cover
> something they're not intended to cover.
>
> I am personally not selling anything on Ebay - but if someone else
> *is* selling something relevant to this NG and wishes to draw
> attention to it here, then good luck to them.
>
> And before you accuse me of being someone else again, you'd better
> find some evidence - which will be difficult because there isn't any!
>[/color]

I apologise for my assumption that you and Abo are the same person,
which was based on weak similarities, and I should have checked more
closely. I still think Abo was in the wrong posting an advert in this
group, thinly disguised as a request for guidance, and it was his
cavalier attitude to the reply given by Ivor Jones that made it worse,
in my opinion.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Harry Stottle <sorryspamdoesntwork@nospam.uk.co> wrote:
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> "Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:5ic1v2F3ouhitU1@mid.individual.net...[color=green]
>>
>> And before you accuse me of being someone else again, you'd better
>> find some evidence - which will be difficult because there isn't any!
>>[/color]
>
> I apologise for my assumption that you and Abo are the same person,
> which was based on weak similarities, and I should have checked more
> closely. I still think Abo was in the wrong posting an advert in this
> group, thinly disguised as a request for guidance, and it was his
> cavalier attitude to the reply given by Ivor Jones that made it worse,
> in my opinion.[/color]

Apology accepted.

As far as I can see - having re-read the whole thread - Abo has only posted
4 times in the thread, and at no time has his/her actual advert appeared -
(s)he's presumably still trying to weigh up the answers received!
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Roger
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"Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:5idhtnF3n1kd2U1@mid.individual.net...[color=blue]
>
> As far as I can see - having re-read the whole thread - Abo has only
> posted 4 times in the thread, and at no time has his/her actual advert
> appeared - (s)he's presumably still trying to weigh up the answers
> received!
>[/color]

I don't think we are going to agree on this, but if you have a look at
the original post it stated that the item was for sale, it contained
details of the item, and also details of where to purchase that item
from, which to me is as much of an advert as a page in a newspaper
saying, 'Buy Heinz baked beans at Tesco'.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Harry Stottle <sorryspamdoesntwork@nospam.uk.co> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:5idhtnF3n1kd2U1@mid.individual.net...[color=green]
>>
>> As far as I can see - having re-read the whole thread - Abo has only
>> posted 4 times in the thread, and at no time has his/her actual
>> advert appeared - (s)he's presumably still trying to weigh up the
>> answers received!
>>[/color]
>
> I don't think we are going to agree on this, but if you have a look at
> the original post it stated that the item was for sale, it contained
> details of the item, and also details of where to purchase that item
> from, which to me is as much of an advert as a page in a newspaper
> saying, 'Buy Heinz baked beans at Tesco'.[/color]

You're right - we're not going to agree!

What he did in effect was to say that somewhere or other there is a can of
baked beans lurking at Tescos, and to ask whether it's ok to post details of
which branch it's at. That's hardly an advert!

I've just had a look on Ebay, and there are quite a few matching items - and
you would need to click on each one to find the one offered by 'Abo' - and
even then, you'd only find it if the poster used the same or similar usenet
and Ebay IDs.
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Cheers,
Roger
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Harry Stottle wrote:
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> Typical spammer, prepared to argue that black is white, but not prepared
> to accept any advice, or criticism of their inappropriate behaviour. It
> was an advert for an eBay item, and as you clearly stated that it was
> "currently up on eBay", and if someone searched for it on eBay, it was
> "the only second hand one", so obviously, the phone would have been on
> eBay when you made that statement.[/color]

No it doesn't! I could say 'would it be ok to post something like "my
Chevy Impala is currently on eBay, it's the only one with the blower"';
it's a hypothetical question...

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Abo

"Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:5ie3k5F3kjhblU1@mid.individual.net...[color=blue]
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Harry Stottle <sorryspamdoesntwork@nospam.uk.co> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5idhtnF3n1kd2U1@mid.individual.net...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> As far as I can see - having re-read the whole thread - Abo has only
>>> posted 4 times in the thread, and at no time has his/her actual
>>> advert appeared - (s)he's presumably still trying to weigh up the
>>> answers received!
>>>[/color]
>>
>> I don't think we are going to agree on this, but if you have a look at
>> the original post it stated that the item was for sale, it contained
>> details of the item, and also details of where to purchase that item
>> from, which to me is as much of an advert as a page in a newspaper
>> saying, 'Buy Heinz baked beans at Tesco'.[/color]
>
> You're right - we're not going to agree!
>
> What he did in effect was to say that somewhere or other there is a can of
> baked beans lurking at Tescos, and to ask whether it's ok to post details
> of which branch it's at. That's hardly an advert![/color]

If the poster potentially stands to benefit in any way (including goodwill),
now or in the future, then yes, it's obviously an advert. If he, his
friends, his family and so on don't benefit in any way, shape or form, then
it's probably not an advert.

Henry.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Henry Hooray <yri6tus02@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote:
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>
> If the poster potentially stands to benefit in any way (including
> goodwill), now or in the future, then yes, it's obviously an advert.
> If he, his friends, his family and so on don't benefit in any way,
> shape or form, then it's probably not an advert.
>[/color]

Since when has that been the definition of an advert?

So if I ask a question here, and hope that my family will benefit from the
answer (e.g. by being able to sort out a VoIP problem), that makes my
question an advert?

Cobblers! The whole point of usenet is that we *all* benefit from the
exchange of ideas and information.
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Cheers,
Roger
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"Roger Mills" <watt.tyler@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:5iimmcF3mtc5sU1@mid.individual.net...[color=blue]
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Henry Hooray <yri6tus02@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> If the poster potentially stands to benefit in any way (including
>> goodwill), now or in the future, then yes, it's obviously an advert.
>> If he, his friends, his family and so on don't benefit in any way,
>> shape or form, then it's probably not an advert.
>>[/color]
>
> Since when has that been the definition of an advert?[/color]

So you disagree. That's Ok.
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> So if I ask a question here, and hope that my family will benefit from the
> answer (e.g. by being able to sort out a VoIP problem), that makes my
> question an advert?[/color]

My apologies. I would have thought it was obvious that I referred to
information provided as a seller, not requested as a buyer. Sorry.
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> Cobblers! The whole point of usenet is that we *all* benefit from the
> exchange of ideas and information.[/color]

Yes. Oh, by the way: anybody here wanting to buy an old computer?

Henry.
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> --
> Cheers,
> Roger
> ______
> Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly
> monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks.
> PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP![/color]

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Henry Hooray <yri6tus02@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote:
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>
> My apologies. I would have thought it was obvious that I referred to
> information provided as a seller, not requested as a buyer. Sorry.
>[/color]
Your actual words were: "If the poster potentially stands to benefit in
*any* way . . . "

Where does that say anything about selling - *or* buying for that matter?
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Cheers,
Roger
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