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Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
> news:AbSdnc990oC6QPPbnZ2dnUVZ8tWnnZ2d@pipex.net
>
> [snip]
>[color=green]
>> A newsgroup is a medium in which people can have
>> discussions that are not moderated. Agreed?[/color]
>
> Not necessarily. There are moderated newsgroups.[/color]

And this one isn't so it's a forum.

Desk Rabbit wrote:[color=blue]
> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=green]
>> "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
>> news:AbSdnc990oC6QPPbnZ2dnUVZ8tWnnZ2d@pipex.net
>>
>> [snip]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> A newsgroup is a medium in which people can have
>>> discussions that are not moderated. Agreed?[/color]
>>
>> Not necessarily. There are moderated newsgroups.[/color]
>
> And this one isn't so it's a forum.[/color]

Whether a usenet newsgroup is moderated or not it is technically still a
usenet newsgroup. The main difference between forum and usenet is where
the data lives and the protocols involved. The issue is somewhat clouded
because of web-to-usenet gateways, that give a forum like appearance,
that however doesn't change what it is.

CheekyMonkey wrote:[color=blue]
> Desk Rabbit wrote:[color=green]
>> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
>>> news:AbSdnc990oC6QPPbnZ2dnUVZ8tWnnZ2d@pipex.net
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> A newsgroup is a medium in which people can have
>>>> discussions that are not moderated. Agreed?
>>>
>>> Not necessarily. There are moderated newsgroups.[/color]
>>
>> And this one isn't so it's a forum.[/color]
>
> Whether a usenet newsgroup is moderated or not it is technically still a
> usenet newsgroup. The main difference between forum and usenet is where
> the data lives and the protocols involved. The issue is somewhat clouded
> because of web-to-usenet gateways, that give a forum like appearance,
> that however doesn't change what it is.[/color]

A forum is a place or medium in which people can have discussions that
are not moderated.

A newsgroup is a medium in which people can have discussions that are
not moderated.

Ergo a newsgroup is a forum and you are wrong.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:gflt63dd45u8bbe0m3p9fm3d983t7sd0f5@4ax.com[color=green]
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:44:55 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> You expect rational thought..?! Strange place to look.[/color]
>> You Ivor expect the rest of us to accept every thing you
>> say as been correct but so many people have proved you
>> wrong many times .
>> You ARE a European if you lived in LA you would be an
>> American providing you held a US passport but knowing how
>> stupid you are you would be arguing that you here not a
>> American but a New Yorker or a Californian or a Texan or
>> whatever but you certainly would never admit to being an
>> American just has you insist that you are not a European
>> which of course you are .[/color]
>
> Thereby lies the fault in your pathetic argument, Ron. America is a
> country, Europe is not.[/color]

The Americas are the lands of the Western hemisphere or New World
consisting of the continents of North America and South America with
their associated islands and regions.

The term the Americas is an alternative to the term America, which may
refer to either this entire landmass or just the United States of America.

And you are still a European ;-) Check your passport.

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:2sau635pbg0usmsoinnb9bsmdfrsgs543r@4ax.com[color=green]
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:47:20 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> People here show contempt for me and my views, they
>>> don't like it when the boot is on the other foot.[/color]
>> And rightly so .[/color]
>
> Indeed it is.
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Yes I am being rude, offensive and annoying. Not nice,
>>> is it..?
>>>[/color]
>> Carry on Ivor it won't be long before everyone here
>> totally ignores you just as the spammers have been doing
>> since this FORUM's creation .[/color]
>
> I didn't create a forum Ron.[/color]

Indeed you didn't.

You created a newsgroup which is a forum.

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
> news:CeednYywI6usRvPbnZ2dnUVZ8sjinZ2d@pipex.net[color=green]
>> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
>>> news:moGdnUirROlo_vPbRVnytgA@pipex.net
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> Just saying "No it isn't" without any facts, evidence
>>>> or reasoning is not an argument. You have lost this
>>>> argument hands down.
>>> I'm not having an argument, you are.
>>>
>>> Saying "it is" is just as wrong.
>>>
>>> Nothing you can ever say or do will cause me to agree
>>> that a newsgroup is a forum. It is not, it never will
>>> be. You will never win, because you are wrong.[/color]
>> Prove me wrong then as I have proved you wrong on many,
>> many, many occasions. Give me FACTS not assertions.[/color]
>
> I have given you all the facts. I don't have to prove anything.[/color]

Ivor you have not laid forth one single solitary fact to support your
argument that a newsgroup and this one in particular is not a forum. All
you have ever said is "No its not". That is not a fact, that is a statement.

<Sits backs and waits for facts but does not hold breath>

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:ilau6350jnbrodb1d8moaqa86gfcf595d9@4ax.com[color=green]
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:44:47 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>> Ergo a newsgroup is a forum and you are wrong.
>>> No, you are.
>>>
>>> Ivor
>>>[/color]
>> No you are Ivor most peopl here agree that this IS a
>> FORUM.[/color]
>
> Have you taken a poll of *all* users..?[/color]

Have you?
[color=blue]
> Otherwise shut up.[/color]

"Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:f4pcqe$2krs$1@energise.enta.net[color=blue]
> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=green]
> > <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:ilau6350jnbrodb1d8moaqa86gfcf595d9@4ax.com[color=darkred]
> > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:44:47 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> > > <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Ergo a newsgroup is a forum and you are wrong.
> > > > > No, you are.
> > > >
> > > > Ivor
> > > >
> > > No you are Ivor most peopl here agree that this IS a
> > > FORUM.[/color]
> >
> > Have you taken a poll of *all* users..?[/color]
>
> Have you?[/color]

No. But I don't have to. The default is newsgroup unless and until you or
anyone else can *prove* with a poll of *all* users that it is otherwise.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Otherwise shut up.[/color][/color]

I repeat the above line.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:f4pcqe$2krs$1@energise.enta.net[color=green]
>> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ilau6350jnbrodb1d8moaqa86gfcf595d9@4ax.com
>>>> No you are Ivor most peopl here agree that this IS a
>>>> FORUM.
>>> Have you taken a poll of *all* users..?[/color]
>> Have you?[/color]
>
> No. But I don't have to. The default is newsgroup unless and until you or
> anyone else can *prove* with a poll of *all* users that it is otherwise.[/color]

You are the one whose opinion is in conflict with the majority of
posters to this thread. You seem to believe that this newsgroup is not a
forum. Others have provided evidence that it is. You have provided no
evidence whatsoever.

The burden of proof is now on you to provide something, anything, to
support your position.
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Otherwise shut up.[/color][/color]
>
> I repeat the above line.[/color]

Nice.

"Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:f4pga6$2r0c$1@energise.enta.net

[snip]
[color=blue]
> You are the one whose opinion is in conflict with the
> majority of posters to this thread. You seem to believe
> that this newsgroup is not a forum. Others have provided
> evidence that it is. You have provided no evidence
> whatsoever.[/color]

It is not a forum. Usenet convention says so. I am not going to repeat
myself any more.

Call it what you will, it is still not and never will be a forum.
[color=blue]
> The burden of proof is now on you to provide something,
> anything, to support your position.[/color]

I repeat, I don't have to prove anything.
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > Otherwise shut up.[/color]
> >
> > I repeat the above line.[/color]
>
> Nice.[/color]

I am responding in kind.

Now, put up or shut up. Preferably the latter.

Ivor