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Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
> news:YZWdnZNxlsW3-_PbRVnyuwA@pipex.net[color=green]
>> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:f4ljcv$1okf$1@energise.enta.net
>>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>>> "Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in
>>>>> message
>>>>> news:mn.5c4c7d767bc09145.48968@blueyonder.invalid
>>>>>> Ivor Jones formulated on Monday :
>>>>>>>> A forum is a place to meet and discuss. The
>>>>>>>> Forum in Rome is a collection of ruins but it
>>>>>>>> is still a forum.
>>>>>>> But this group isn't.
>>>>>> Why can it be a "group" but not a "forum"?
>>>>> Because a newsgroup is a newsgroup, a forum is a
>>>>> forum. It's like calling a bus a coach. They are
>>>>> two different vehicles. They're similar, but not
>>>>> the same.
>>>> No, calling a newsgroup a forum is like calling a bus
>>>> a vehicle.
>>> In your world, perhaps. Not here.[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
>> A bus is a motor vehicle.[/color]
>
> True.
>[color=green]
>> A newsgroup is a forum.[/color]
>
> False.
>
>[/color]
A forum is a place or medium in which people can have discussions that
are not moderated. Agreed?

A newsgroup is a medium in which people can have discussions that are
not moderated. Agreed?

Ergo a newsgroup is a forum.

Now lets hear your reasoning behind your assertion that a newsgroup is
not a forum.

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:f4lo2a$21bc$1@energise.enta.net
>
> [snip]
>[color=green]
>> Show me a "usenet definition" which states that you are
>> wrong to refer to newsgroups as forums[/color]
>
> I don't have to show you anything. A newsgroup is a newsgroup not a forum.
>
> Please prove me wrong.[/color]
OK:-

A forum is a place or medium in which people can have discussions that
are not moderated.

A newsgroup is a medium in which people can have discussions that are
not moderated.

Ergo a newsgroup is a forum and you are wrong.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:42:10 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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>
>
><clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>news:fskt63d4fis17ee1fhjqncv4cac2d27hgg@4ax.com[color=green]
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:38:36 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>> > I don't have to show you anything. A newsgroup is a
>> > newsgroup not a forum.
>> >
>> > I do not propose to have this discussion ad nauseum. I
>> > suspect you are merely attempting to wind me up. Please
>> > prove me wrong.[/color]
>>
>> You are more stupid than I gave you credit for Ivor it is
>> YOU who are winding many other people up with your utter
>> stupidity not the other way round.
>> A newsgroup IS A FORUM now stop arguing with people who
>> know about these things and get a life PLEASE .[/color]
>
>I will when you do, Ron.
>
>Please leave this GROUP.[/color]

This is not a group it is a forum please go way and stop winding
people up .

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:fskt63d4fis17ee1fhjqncv4cac2d27hgg@4ax.com[color=green]
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:38:36 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I don't have to show you anything. A newsgroup is a
>>> newsgroup not a forum.
>>>
>>> I do not propose to have this discussion ad nauseum. I
>>> suspect you are merely attempting to wind me up. Please
>>> prove me wrong.[/color]
>> You are more stupid than I gave you credit for Ivor it is
>> YOU who are winding many other people up with your utter
>> stupidity not the other way round.
>> A newsgroup IS A FORUM now stop arguing with people who
>> know about these things and get a life PLEASE .[/color]
>
> I will when you do, Ron.
>
> Please leave this GROUP.[/color]
forum is a place or medium in which people can have discussions that are
not moderated.

A newsgroup is a medium in which people can have discussions that are
not moderated.

Ergo a newsgroup is a forum.

QED

Additional proofs:-

You can't make him leave because this newsgroup is not moderated which
proves it is a newsgroup, which means it is a medium in which people can
have discussions that are not moderated, which means it is a forum.

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:53:22 +0100, Desk Rabbit <nospam@example.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Ivor Jones wrote:[color=green]
>> "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
>> news:YZWdnZNxlsW3-_PbRVnyuwA@pipex.net[color=darkred]
>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:f4ljcv$1okf$1@energise.enta.net
>>>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>>>> "Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>> news:mn.5c4c7d767bc09145.48968@blueyonder.invalid
>>>>>>> Ivor Jones formulated on Monday :
>>>>>>>>> A forum is a place to meet and discuss. The
>>>>>>>>> Forum in Rome is a collection of ruins but it
>>>>>>>>> is still a forum.
>>>>>>>> But this group isn't.
>>>>>>> Why can it be a "group" but not a "forum"?
>>>>>> Because a newsgroup is a newsgroup, a forum is a
>>>>>> forum. It's like calling a bus a coach. They are
>>>>>> two different vehicles. They're similar, but not
>>>>>> the same.
>>>>> No, calling a newsgroup a forum is like calling a bus
>>>>> a vehicle.
>>>> In your world, perhaps. Not here.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> A bus is a motor vehicle.[/color]
>>
>> True.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> A newsgroup is a forum.[/color]
>>
>> False.
>>
>>[/color]
>A forum is a place or medium in which people can have discussions that
>are not moderated. Agreed?
>
>A newsgroup is a medium in which people can have discussions that are
>not moderated. Agreed?
>
>Ergo a newsgroup is a forum.
>
>Now lets hear your reasoning behind your assertion that a newsgroup is
>not a forum.[/color]
The same IVOR reasoning that dictates he is not a European presumably.

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:f4lo2a$21bc$1@energise.enta.net
>
> [snip]
>[color=green]
>> Show me a "usenet definition" which states that you are
>> wrong to refer to newsgroups as forums[/color]
>
> I don't have to show you anything. A newsgroup is a newsgroup not a forum.
>
> I do not propose to have this discussion ad nauseum. I suspect you are
> merely attempting to wind me up. Please prove me wrong.[/color]

I am not trying to wind you up. I am trying to show you that your
understanding of English words is at odds with most people. For a
quantifiable sample, take the number of people in this thread who agree
with you against the number who do not.

Given the above, I am trying to show you that replying to every message
with inappropriate claims such as you have here and then to turn it into
some sort of crusade.

Paul Cupis wrote:[color=blue]
> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=green]
>> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:f4lo2a$21bc$1@energise.enta.net
>>
>> [snip]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Show me a "usenet definition" which states that you are
>>> wrong to refer to newsgroups as forums[/color]
>>
>> I don't have to show you anything. A newsgroup is a newsgroup not a
>> forum.
>>
>> I do not propose to have this discussion ad nauseum. I suspect you are
>> merely attempting to wind me up. Please prove me wrong.[/color]
>
> I am not trying to wind you up. I am trying to show you that your
> understanding of English words is at odds with most people. For a
> quantifiable sample, take the number of people in this thread who agree
> with you against the number who do not.
>
> Given the above, I am trying to show you that replying to every message
> with inappropriate claims such as you have here and then to turn it into
> some sort of crusade.[/color]

.... is unproductive and disruptive.

On 2007-06-12, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:slrnf6t46j.2tq.bandj@mymachine.invalid[color=green]
>> You have the opportunity to help me see it later on.[/color]
>
> I have told you. I couldn't give a fig whether you see it or not.[/color]

Once again you avoid making any coherent attack on the points I make.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Your argument is:
>>
>> Europe is not a country.i
>> X was born in England.
>> X is English.
>> Therefore X is not European.[/color]
>
> I'm not having an argument. I am stating a fact. I am not a European
> and nothing you say will ever cause me to say/think otherwise.[/color]

Facts have to be substantiated by evidence but you regard them as
something to be accepted without question. By all means maintain you are
not a European but do not insult our intelligence by writing the sort of
utter nonsense you use in the 'I was not born in a country called .....'
argument.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> The third sentence follows from the second. The final statement does
>> not follow from anything written before it and replacing 'England'
>> with 'Poland', 'Germany' etc, leads to the conclusion there are no
>> Europeans on the planet.[/color]
>
> There aren't.[/color]

Many Spaniards will be upset to hear this. Extending the argument means
there are no Asians, Africans etc. Australians?
[color=blue]
> There are citizens of individual countries.[/color]

Naughty. You're attempting to change the terms of the argument. When
someone does that it is usually a sign that they realise they haven't
got a leg to stand on.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Rational thought tends to become a bit iffy without it.[/color]
>
> You expect rational thought..?! Strange place to look.[/color]

Having stated you do not care what people think of you, you now express
contempt for everyone else in this newsgroup.

Brian.

"Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
news:AbSdnc990oC6QPPbnZ2dnUVZ8tWnnZ2d@pipex.net

[snip]
[color=blue]
> A newsgroup is a medium in which people can have
> discussions that are not moderated. Agreed?[/color]

Not necessarily. There are moderated newsgroups.
[color=blue]
> Ergo a newsgroup is a forum.[/color]

Ergo nothing.
[color=blue]
> Now lets hear your reasoning behind your assertion that a
> newsgroup is not a forum.[/color]

No reasoning necessary. A newsgroup is a newsgroup and not a forum.

End of discussion.

As you won't killfile me, I'll have to killfile you.

Plonk.


Ivor

"Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
news:AbSdnc590oBQQPPbnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@pipex.net[color=blue]
> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=green]
> > "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:f4lo2a$21bc$1@energise.enta.net
> >
> > [snip]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Show me a "usenet definition" which states that you
> > > are wrong to refer to newsgroups as forums[/color]
> >
> > I don't have to show you anything. A newsgroup is a
> > newsgroup not a forum. Please prove me wrong.[/color]
> OK:-
>
> A forum is a place or medium in which people can have
> discussions that are not moderated.
>
> A newsgroup is a medium in which people can have
> discussions that are not moderated.[/color]

Not necessarily, see my other reply.
[color=blue]
> Ergo a newsgroup is a forum and you are wrong.[/color]

No, you are.

Ivor