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"Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
news:moGdnUirROlo_vPbRVnytgA@pipex.net

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> Just saying "No it isn't" without any facts, evidence or
> reasoning is not an argument. You have lost this argument
> hands down.[/color]

I'm not having an argument, you are.

Saying "it is" is just as wrong.

Nothing you can ever say or do will cause me to agree that a newsgroup is
a forum. It is not, it never will be.

You will never win, because you are wrong.


Ivor

"Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
news:YZWdnZBxlsVK-PPbRVnyuwA@pipex.net[color=blue]
> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=green]
> > "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
> > news:6eSdnSq_ytJT-_DbnZ2dnUVZ8surnZ2d@pipex.net
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > The UK is part of Europe therefore you are European.
> > > Just saying I'm not is not a very convincing argument.[/color]
> >
> > Just saying I am isn't, either. The UK is part of
> > Europe I agree but that doesn't automatically make me a
> > European. In any case, I don't have to convince you either way.
> > The truth is still the truth, whether you believe it or
> > not.[color=darkred]
> > > > Also given that Wikipedia can be edited by all and
> > > > sundry, relying on it to prove a point is somewhat
> > > > flaky.
> > > Guess these must have also been hacked then.
> > >
> > > [url]http://europa.eu/abc/european_countries/index_en.htm[/url]
> > > [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3954327.stm[/url]
> > > [url]http://www.coe.int/T/E/Com/About_Coe/Member_states/[/url][/color]
> >
> > Anything's possible, although I don't suppose they have
> > been. I'm still not a European though.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Unfortunately you are, and if you have a passport I
> suspect that will also confirm it. I've certainly not
> seen any Ivor only channels at passport control.[/color]

I've seen one for UK citizens though. I am a UK citizen, but I am not a
European. Nothing you say will ever cause me to be one or agree that I am
one.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > True. That still doesn't make the OP's message not spam.[/color][/color]

Please put blank lines in, it makes things so much easier.
[color=blue]
> What does make it spam then?[/color]

Its content.

Ivor

"Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
news:slrnf6t46j.2tq.bandj@mymachine.invalid[color=blue]
> On 2007-06-12, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > "Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:slrnf6rptp.2tq.bandj@mymachine.invalid[color=darkred]
> > > The 'Therefore' is spurious. It gives the impression
> > > you are drawing a valid conclusion. Your premise is
> > > fallacious. No valid conclusion can be drawn from an
> > > invalid premise.[/color]
> >
> > I *am* drawing a valid conclusion. Pity you can't see
> > it.[/color]
>
> You have the opportunity to help me see it later on.[/color]

I have told you. I couldn't give a fig whether you see it or not.
[color=blue]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > Taking that sentence (without 'Therefore') as a
> > > standalone statement you appear to be saying that
> > > there is no group of people which can be called
> > > European.[/color]
> >
> > I never said that. I said I am not one.[/color]
>
> Your argument is:
>
> Europe is not a country.
> X was born in England.
> X is English.
> Therefore X is not European.[/color]

I'm not having an argument. I am stating a fact. I am not a European and
nothing you say will ever cause me to say/think otherwise.
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> The third sentence follows from the second. The final
> statement does not follow from anything written before it
> and replacing 'England' with 'Poland', 'Germany' etc,
> leads to the conclusion there are no Europeans on the
> planet.[/color]

There aren't. There are citizens of individual countries.
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > Have we? I don't recollect. Were you as completely
> > > illogical then as now?[/color]
> >
> > Logic isn't everything. Or is your real name Mr.
> > Spock..?[/color]
>
> Rational thought tends to become a bit iffy without it.[/color]

You expect rational thought..?! Strange place to look.

Ivor

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:38:36 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

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>I don't have to show you anything. A newsgroup is a newsgroup not a forum.
>
>I do not propose to have this discussion ad nauseum. I suspect you are
>merely attempting to wind me up. Please prove me wrong.[/color]

You are more stupid than I gave you credit for Ivor it is YOU who are
winding many other people up with your utter stupidity not the other
way round.
A newsgroup IS A FORUM now stop arguing with people who know about
these things and get a life PLEASE .

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:44:55 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

[color=blue]
>You expect rational thought..?! Strange place to look.[/color]

You Ivor expect the rest of us to accept every thing you say as been
correct but so many people have proved you wrong many times .
You ARE a European if you lived in LA you would be an American
providing you held a US passport but knowing how stupid you are you
would be arguing that you here not a American but a New Yorker or a
Californian or a Texan or whatever but you certainly would never admit
to being an American just has you insist that you are not a European
which of course you are .

<clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:fskt63d4fis17ee1fhjqncv4cac2d27hgg@4ax.com[color=blue]
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:38:36 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
> > I don't have to show you anything. A newsgroup is a
> > newsgroup not a forum.
> >
> > I do not propose to have this discussion ad nauseum. I
> > suspect you are merely attempting to wind me up. Please
> > prove me wrong.[/color]
>
> You are more stupid than I gave you credit for Ivor it is
> YOU who are winding many other people up with your utter
> stupidity not the other way round.
> A newsgroup IS A FORUM now stop arguing with people who
> know about these things and get a life PLEASE .[/color]

I will when you do, Ron.

Please leave this GROUP.

Ivor

<clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:gflt63dd45u8bbe0m3p9fm3d983t7sd0f5@4ax.com[color=blue]
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:44:55 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
> > You expect rational thought..?! Strange place to look.[/color]
>
> You Ivor expect the rest of us to accept every thing you
> say as been correct but so many people have proved you
> wrong many times .
> You ARE a European if you lived in LA you would be an
> American providing you held a US passport but knowing how
> stupid you are you would be arguing that you here not a
> American but a New Yorker or a Californian or a Texan or
> whatever but you certainly would never admit to being an
> American just has you insist that you are not a European
> which of course you are .[/color]

Thereby lies the fault in your pathetic argument, Ron. America is a
country, Europe is not.

End.

Ivor

"Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
news:CeednYywI6usRvPbnZ2dnUVZ8sjinZ2d@pipex.net[color=blue]
> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=green]
> > "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
> > news:moGdnUirROlo_vPbRVnytgA@pipex.net
> >
> > [snip]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Just saying "No it isn't" without any facts, evidence
> > > or reasoning is not an argument. You have lost this
> > > argument hands down.[/color]
> >
> > I'm not having an argument, you are.
> >
> > Saying "it is" is just as wrong.
> >
> > Nothing you can ever say or do will cause me to agree
> > that a newsgroup is a forum. It is not, it never will
> > be. You will never win, because you are wrong.[/color]
>
> Prove me wrong then as I have proved you wrong on many,
> many, many occasions. Give me FACTS not assertions.[/color]

I have given you all the facts. I don't have to prove anything.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
> news:moGdnUirROlo_vPbRVnytgA@pipex.net
>
> [snip]
>[color=green]
>> Just saying "No it isn't" without any facts, evidence or
>> reasoning is not an argument. You have lost this argument
>> hands down.[/color]
>
> I'm not having an argument, you are.
>
> Saying "it is" is just as wrong.
>
> Nothing you can ever say or do will cause me to agree that a newsgroup is
> a forum. It is not, it never will be.
>
> You will never win, because you are wrong.[/color]

Prove me wrong then as I have proved you wrong on many, many, many
occasions. Give me FACTS not assertions.

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
> news:YZWdnZBxlsVK-PPbRVnyuwA@pipex.net[color=green]
>> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6eSdnSq_ytJT-_DbnZ2dnUVZ8surnZ2d@pipex.net
>>>
>>>
>>>> The UK is part of Europe therefore you are European.
>>>> Just saying I'm not is not a very convincing argument.
>>> Just saying I am isn't, either. The UK is part of
>>> Europe I agree but that doesn't automatically make me a
>>> European. In any case, I don't have to convince you either way.
>>> The truth is still the truth, whether you believe it or
>>> not.
>>>>> Also given that Wikipedia can be edited by all and
>>>>> sundry, relying on it to prove a point is somewhat
>>>>> flaky.
>>>> Guess these must have also been hacked then.
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://europa.eu/abc/european_countries/index_en.htm[/url]
>>>> [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3954327.stm[/url]
>>>> [url]http://www.coe.int/T/E/Com/About_Coe/Member_states/[/url]
>>> Anything's possible, although I don't suppose they have
>>> been. I'm still not a European though.[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
>> Unfortunately you are, and if you have a passport I
>> suspect that will also confirm it. I've certainly not
>> seen any Ivor only channels at passport control.[/color]
>
> I've seen one for UK citizens though. I am a UK citizen, but I am not a
> European. Nothing you say will ever cause me to be one or agree that I am
> one.
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> True. That still doesn't make the OP's message not spam.[/color][/color]
>
> Please put blank lines in, it makes things so much easier.
>[color=green]
>> What does make it spam then?[/color]
>
> Its content.[/color]

Be specific.