UKVoIPTalk.com

"Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
news:slrnf6qhnt.2tq.bandj@mymachine.invalid[color=blue]
> On 2007-06-11, Heimo Hetl <trashcan@hetl.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Count 2 - I was not born in a country called Europe
> > > therefore I cannot be a European.[/color]
> >
> > Europe is not a country. It is a nation created to end
> > the notion of nations.[/color]
>
> There is no sensible answer to the question 'Were you
> born in a country called Europe?'. The premise is
> nonsense. It doesn't matter what is said subsequently as
> the foundation of the argument is flawed. The conclusion
> is nonsense.[/color]

Therefore calling someone a European is nonsense.

But we've been here before.


Ivor

"Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
news:CIidnX-G-sq8u_DbnZ2dnUVZ8ternZ2d@pipex.net[color=blue]
> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=green]
> > "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
> > news:-fOdnet1gK_4kfDbRVnyjQA@pipex.net[color=darkred]
> > > Ivor Jones wrote:
> > > > <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:g5po63tccjc0o7plgduqbk40up5tl60s4d@4ax.com
> > > > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:24:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> > > > > <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > You know what to do, Ron.
> > > > > You would really like that Ivor but I like quite
> > > > > a few other people here will never give you that
> > > > > satisfaction . Once more I say this is a FORUM you
> > > > > ARE a European the posting that as been hotly
> > > > > discussed here was NOT spam and SIPGATE are utter
> > > > > GRAP . Now prove me wrong on all four counts or
> > > > > button it ! .
> > > > I don't have to prove anything.
> > > >
> > > > But as you asked,
> > > >
> > > > Count 1 - This is not a forum, Usenet defines it as
> > > > a newsgroup.
> > > A forum is a place to meet and discuss. The Forum in
> > > Rome is a collection of ruins but it is still a forum.[/color]
> >
> > But this group isn't.[/color]
> [url]http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/F/forum.html[/url]
> [url]http://www.thefreedictionary.com/forum[/url]
>
>[color=green]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > > Count 2 - I was not born in a country called Europe
> > > > therefore I cannot be a European.
> > > The UK is part of Europe ergo you are European.[/color]
> >
> > No, I am English.[/color]
>
> I think you'll find that England is part of Europe.
> [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe[/url][/color]

So..? That does not make me a European.

Also given that Wikipedia can be edited by all and sundry, relying on it
to prove a point is somewhat flaky.
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > Count 3 - The post was spam as it promoted a
> > > > service.
> > > I still can't find this alleged service that was
> > > promoted. No web site, no email address, no telephone
> > > number. HArdly spam by anyones standard.[/color]
> >
> > It is, it was promoting a service. Not my problem if
> > you can't see it.[/color]
> Ok, show me where the service is then. Show me where this
> service exists.[/color]

Ok, so maybe it doesn't, yet. That doesn't mean it can't be advertised.
Car makers advertise a forthcoming model all the time.
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > Count 4 - Sipgate are still in business after 4
> > > > years, if they were truly crap they wouldn't be.
> > > BTopenworld are still going. Lidl, Iceland etc.[/color]
> >
> > So they must be doing *something* right..?[/color]
>
> Nope, they just have morons for customers.[/color]

Hmm. Is this another of those sweeping statements Ron Chew is so fond
of..?

Ivor

Sorry, forgot this bit.

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5d53poF33ksn5U1@mid.individual.net

[snip]
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > Count 1 - This is not a forum, Usenet defines it
> > > > > as a newsgroup.
> > > > A forum is a place to meet and discuss. The Forum in
> > > > Rome is a collection of ruins but it is still a
> > > > forum.
> > >
> > > But this group isn't.[/color][/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> > [url]http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/F/forum.html[/url][/color][/color]

Ok so that says a forum can be called a newsgroup. That doesn't make it
correct. It is wrong. Or do you believe everything you read on a
website..?
[color=blue][color=green]
> > [url]http://www.thefreedictionary.com/forum[/url][/color][/color]

That one doesn't even mention the word newsgroup.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
> news:CIidnX-G-sq8u_DbnZ2dnUVZ8ternZ2d@pipex.net[color=green]
>> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
>>> news:-fOdnet1gK_4kfDbRVnyjQA@pipex.net
>>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>>> <clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:g5po63tccjc0o7plgduqbk40up5tl60s4d@4ax.com
>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:24:51 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>>>>>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know what to do, Ron.
>>>>>> You would really like that Ivor but I like quite
>>>>>> a few other people here will never give you that
>>>>>> satisfaction . Once more I say this is a FORUM you
>>>>>> ARE a European the posting that as been hotly
>>>>>> discussed here was NOT spam and SIPGATE are utter
>>>>>> GRAP . Now prove me wrong on all four counts or
>>>>>> button it ! .
>>>>> I don't have to prove anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> But as you asked,
>>>>>
>>>>> Count 1 - This is not a forum, Usenet defines it as
>>>>> a newsgroup.
>>>> A forum is a place to meet and discuss. The Forum in
>>>> Rome is a collection of ruins but it is still a forum.
>>> But this group isn't.[/color]
>> [url]http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/F/forum.html[/url]
>> [url]http://www.thefreedictionary.com/forum[/url]
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>> Count 2 - I was not born in a country called Europe
>>>>> therefore I cannot be a European.
>>>> The UK is part of Europe ergo you are European.
>>> No, I am English.[/color]
>> I think you'll find that England is part of Europe.
>> [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe[/url][/color]
>
> So..? That does not make me a European.[/color]
The UK is part of Europe therefore you are European. Just saying I'm not
is not a very convincing argument.

[color=blue]
> Also given that Wikipedia can be edited by all and sundry, relying on it
> to prove a point is somewhat flaky.[/color]

Guess these must have also been hacked then.

[url]http://europa.eu/abc/european_countries/index_en.htm[/url]
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3954327.stm[/url]
[url]http://www.coe.int/T/E/Com/About_Coe/Member_states/[/url]

[color=blue]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>> Count 3 - The post was spam as it promoted a
>>>>> service.
>>>> I still can't find this alleged service that was
>>>> promoted. No web site, no email address, no telephone
>>>> number. HArdly spam by anyones standard.
>>> It is, it was promoting a service. Not my problem if
>>> you can't see it.[/color]
>> Ok, show me where the service is then. Show me where this
>> service exists.[/color]
>
> Ok, so maybe it doesn't, yet. That doesn't mean it can't be advertised.
> Car makers advertise a forthcoming model all the time.[/color]
But at least I can visit a web site and see the new model. I still can't
find this service you claim is advertised and neither can you.
[color=blue]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>> Count 4 - Sipgate are still in business after 4
>>>>> years, if they were truly crap they wouldn't be.
>>>> BTopenworld are still going. Lidl, Iceland etc.
>>> So they must be doing *something* right..?[/color]
>> Nope, they just have morons for customers.[/color]
>
> Hmm. Is this another of those sweeping statements Ron Chew is so fond
> of..?[/color]
Lidl "When you are just too pikey for Iceland"

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> Sorry, forgot this bit.
>
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:5d53poF33ksn5U1@mid.individual.net
>
> [snip]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>>> Count 1 - This is not a forum, Usenet defines it
>>>>>> as a newsgroup.
>>>>> A forum is a place to meet and discuss. The Forum in
>>>>> Rome is a collection of ruins but it is still a
>>>>> forum.
>>>> But this group isn't.[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> [url]http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/F/forum.html[/url][/color][/color]
>
> Ok so that says a forum can be called a newsgroup. That doesn't make it
> correct. It is wrong. Or do you believe everything you read on a
> website..?
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> [url]http://www.thefreedictionary.com/forum[/url][/color][/color]
>
> That one doesn't even mention the word newsgroup.[/color]
Why should it? Try reading the definition: "c. A medium of open
discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper or a radio or
television program"

A newsgroup is a medium of open discussion i.e. its neither censored nor
moderated, therefore it is perfectly reasonable to call a newsgroup a forum.

Now I sit back and await your carefully thought out and reasoned
argument which will probably be "No it isn't"

Ivor Jones has brought this to us :[color=blue]
>
> "Heimo Hetl" <trashcan@hetl.net> wrote in message
> news:1hzjfh7.1o6em3itto5ngN%trashcan@hetl.net[color=green]
>> Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > Count 1 - This is not a forum, Usenet defines it as a
>> > newsgroup.[/color]
>>
>> Every newsgroup is a forum. May I suggest you improve on
>> your understanding of the English language?[/color]
>
> Wrong. See [url]www.usenet.org.uk[/url]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > Count 2 - I was not born in a country called Europe
>> > therefore I cannot be a European.[/color]
>>
>> Europe is not a country. It is a nation created to end
>> the notion of nations.[/color]
>
> I'm still not a European.[/color]

What about Earthling?

Ivor Jones explained :[color=blue][color=green]
>> Ok, show me where the service is then. Show me where this
>> service exists.[/color]
>
> Ok, so maybe it doesn't, yet. That doesn't mean it can't be advertised. Car
> makers advertise a forthcoming model all the time.[/color]

However, the advert would clearly be stating the maker's name - Ford,
BMW etc.

Ivor Jones formulated on Monday :[color=blue][color=green]
>> A forum is a place to meet and discuss. The Forum in Rome
>> is a collection of ruins but it is still a forum.[/color]
>
> But this group isn't.[/color]

Why can it be a "group" but not a "forum"?

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:40:12 +0100, Desk Rabbit <nospam@example.com>
wrote:

[color=blue]
>Nope, they just have morons for customers.[/color]

That is very obvious they have the odd supporter
the frequents this FORUM .

Jono wrote:[color=blue]
> Ivor Jones explained :[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Ok, show me where the service is then. Show me where this
>>> service exists.[/color]
>>
>> Ok, so maybe it doesn't, yet. That doesn't mean it can't be
>> advertised. Car makers advertise a forthcoming model all the time.[/color]
>
> However, the advert would clearly be stating the maker's name - Ford,
> BMW etc.
>
>[/color]
In Ivors world it's probably just a plain piece of card through the
letter box that says "New car"