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"Chris Hopley" <chris.hopley@gggggmail.com> wrote in
message news:85709$465b6020$9163a40a$9137@news2.tudelft.nl[color=blue]
> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=green]
> > "Chris Hopley" <chris.hopley@gggggmail.com> wrote in
> > message
> > news:81ac9$465b5815$9163a40a$6378@news2.tudelft.nl[color=darkred]
> > > Ivor Jones wrote:
> > > > How can I be spamming, I'm not trying to advertise
> > > > anyone or anything. Even if I was, this isn't a
> > > > forum, but we've already had this discussion.
> > > Ivor, as much as I respect your knowledge of all
> > > things voip, etc., you are wrong on this one. A forum
> > > is any place where things can be discussed, not just
> > > a "bulletin board" type website. Live long and
> > > prosper, but stick to voip not linguistics.[/color]
> >
> > As has been discussed ad nauseum in other places, I am
> > *not* wrong. We are talking about *Usenet* convention
> > and not dictionary definition.[/color]
>
> Fortunately I don't frequent those nauseatic places.[/color]

You're in one.
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> > Usenet is a platform where groups are hosted in
> > multiple locations using nntp format. Forums are web
> > based, hosted in a single location using http access.
> >
> > *That* is the definition I apply and the only one I
> > recognise.[/color]
>
> You cannot define human interaction in terms of the
> technology that facilitates that interaction.[/color]

In this instance, I can.
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> > Take it or leave it, I do not propose to discuss it
> > further here, it has already been done to death
> > elsewhere.[/color]
>
> We can all play that game, Ivor:[/color]

[snip]

Irrelevant. This is a newsgroup, not a forum.

As I said, take it or leave it.


Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "Chris Hopley" <chris.hopley@gggggmail.com> wrote in
> message news:85709$465b6020$9163a40a$9137@news2.tudelft.nl[color=green]
>> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Chris Hopley" <chris.hopley@gggggmail.com> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:81ac9$465b5815$9163a40a$6378@news2.tudelft.nl
>>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>>> How can I be spamming, I'm not trying to advertise
>>>>> anyone or anything. Even if I was, this isn't a
>>>>> forum, but we've already had this discussion.
>>>> Ivor, as much as I respect your knowledge of all
>>>> things voip, etc., you are wrong on this one. A forum
>>>> is any place where things can be discussed, not just
>>>> a "bulletin board" type website. Live long and
>>>> prosper, but stick to voip not linguistics.
>>> As has been discussed ad nauseum in other places, I am
>>> *not* wrong. We are talking about *Usenet* convention
>>> and not dictionary definition.[/color]
>> Fortunately I don't frequent those nauseatic places.[/color]
>
> You're in one.[/color]

Lame.
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>>> Usenet is a platform where groups are hosted in
>>> multiple locations using nntp format. Forums are web
>>> based, hosted in a single location using http access.
>>>
>>> *That* is the definition I apply and the only one I
>>> recognise.[/color]
>> You cannot define human interaction in terms of the
>> technology that facilitates that interaction.[/color]
>
> In this instance, I can.[/color]

Pray tell. How?
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Take it or leave it, I do not propose to discuss it
>>> further here, it has already been done to death
>>> elsewhere.[/color][/color][/color]

So you can't even be bothered to repost established "truths"? Not even
links to conclusive arguments. That's really lame, Ivor.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> We can all play that game, Ivor:[/color]
>
> [snip]
>
> Irrelevant. This is a newsgroup, not a forum.[/color]

Not so x2. Post only news instead of discussing, unless you want to be
guilty of the "crime" you accuse others of!!!!!!
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> As I said, take it or leave it.[/color]

Or else? Don't tell me: plonk! What have you got left when you plonk
everyone in "your" newsgroup just because they don't adhere to the same
definition of newsgroup and forum as you?

Ivor, accept modern life: you can cause a newsgroup to be established,
but you don't own it and you can't control it.

I'm sure you're a really nice guy otherwise, and I salute you.

Cordial greetings,
Chris

"Chris Hopley" <chris.hopley@gggggmail.com> wrote in
message news:64c04$465b71c8$9163a40a$20064@news1.tudelft.nl[color=blue]
> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=green]
> > "Chris Hopley" <chris.hopley@gggggmail.com> wrote in
> > message
> > news:85709$465b6020$9163a40a$9137@news2.tudelft.nl[color=darkred]
> > > Ivor Jones wrote:
> > > > "Chris Hopley" <chris.hopley@gggggmail.com> wrote in
> > > > message
> > > > news:81ac9$465b5815$9163a40a$6378@news2.tudelft.nl
> > > > > Ivor Jones wrote:
> > > > > > How can I be spamming, I'm not trying to
> > > > > > advertise anyone or anything. Even if I was,
> > > > > > this isn't a forum, but we've already had this
> > > > > > discussion.
> > > > > Ivor, as much as I respect your knowledge of all
> > > > > things voip, etc., you are wrong on this one. A
> > > > > forum is any place where things can be discussed,
> > > > > not just a "bulletin board" type website. Live
> > > > > long and prosper, but stick to voip not
> > > > > linguistics.
> > > > As has been discussed ad nauseum in other places, I
> > > > am *not* wrong. We are talking about *Usenet*
> > > > convention and not dictionary definition.
> > > Fortunately I don't frequent those nauseatic places.[/color]
> >
> > You're in one.[/color]
>
> Lame.[/color]

Possibly, but true nonetheless.
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> > > > Usenet is a platform where groups are hosted in
> > > > multiple locations using nntp format. Forums are web
> > > > based, hosted in a single location using http
> > > > access. *That* is the definition I apply and the only one I
> > > > recognise.
> > > You cannot define human interaction in terms of the
> > > technology that facilitates that interaction.[/color]
> >
> > In this instance, I can.[/color]
>
> Pray tell. How?[/color]

I just have. Lame..? Perhaps, but still true.
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > Take it or leave it, I do not propose to discuss it
> > > > further here, it has already been done to death
> > > > elsewhere.[/color][/color]
>
> So you can't even be bothered to repost established
> "truths"? Not even links to conclusive arguments. That's
> really lame, Ivor.[/color]

It's already been done to death before. Repeating it is a waste of my time
as well as yours. It's all there if you care to find it and read it.
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > We can all play that game, Ivor:[/color]
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > Irrelevant. This is a newsgroup, not a forum.[/color]
>
> Not so x2. Post only news instead of discussing, unless
> you want to be guilty of the "crime" you accuse others
> of!!!!!![/color]

I'm not accusing anybody of anything. I am merely stating a fact.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > As I said, take it or leave it.[/color]
>
> Or else? Don't tell me: plonk! What have you got left
> when you plonk everyone in "your" newsgroup just because
> they don't adhere to the same definition of newsgroup and
> forum as you?[/color]

Who said I was going to do that..? Do you want me to..? Why don't you
"plonk" me, then you won't have to listen.
[color=blue]
> Ivor, accept modern life: you can cause a newsgroup to be
> established, but you don't own it and you can't control
> it.[/color]

True. But it's still a *newsgroup* and not a forum.
[color=blue]
> I'm sure you're a really nice guy otherwise, and I salute
> you.[/color]

Or I could be an absolute bastard. It's totally irrelevant in this matter.

In any case, I'll be here long after you and everyone else has given up
trying to redefine this *group* so you might as well accept it now.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:slrnf5e52p.p8d.paul@challenger.my.home[color=green]
>> On 2007-05-25, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Indeed. But a company that uses a munged address and
>>> doesn't provide a website where you can check out their
>>> products is somewhat suspicious to my mind.[/color]
>> But they are not advertising anything nor are they
>> inviting people to contact them directly. They (whoever
>> they are) are asking a simple question on
>> uk.telecom.voip, a discussion group, probably to illicit
>> discussion regarding VoIP in the UK.[/color]
>
> Right. The part of your sentence above "whoever they are" says it all to
> me. If they were a reputable organisation they wouldn't hide.
>
> Ivor
>
>[/color]
I'm a reputable organisation but I don't display my company information
on every post I make. Neither do I display a valid email address.
Therefore by your definition Ivor, every message I post is spam.

"Desk Rabbit" <nospam@example.com> wrote in message
news:voadnVJ6BMvumcHbnZ2dneKdnZzinZ2d@pipex.net[color=blue]
> Ivor Jones wrote:[/color]

[snip]
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Right. The part of your sentence above "whoever they
> > are" says it all to me. If they were a reputable
> > organisation they wouldn't hide.[/color]
>
> I'm a reputable organisation but I don't display my
> company information on every post I make. Neither do I
> display a valid email address. Therefore by your
> definition Ivor, every message I post is spam.[/color]

Not at all. However if you were to try and advertise your business here,
that would be spam.

Ivor

On 28 May, 23:42, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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>
> As has been discussed ad nauseum in other places, I am *not* wrong. We are
> talking about *Usenet* convention and not dictionary definition.
>[/color]

And as has already been posted on this thread the definition of spam
on usenet is well established and the OP was not spam by that
definition.


--
Nic

On Tue, 29 May 2007 00:10:33 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

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>As I said, take it or leave it.[/color]

Please do not be so stupid Ivor this IS a forum .

On Tue, 29 May 2007 02:20:06 +0200, Chris Hopley
<chris.hopley@gggggmail.com> wrote:

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>Ivor, accept modern life: you can cause a newsgroup to be established,
>but you don't own it and you can't control it.[/color]

But he thinks he does .

On Tue, 29 May 2007 08:52:48 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

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>Who said I was going to do that..? Do you want me to..? Why don't you
>"plonk" me, then you won't have to listen.[/color]

Maybe because you ARE a plonkER already this IS a FORUM
live with it .

In message <5c146lF2utbdpU1@mid.individual.net>
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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>
>
> "Chris Hopley" <chris.hopley@gggggmail.com> wrote in
> message news:81ac9$465b5815$9163a40a$6378@news2.tudelft.nl[color=green]
> > Ivor Jones wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > How can I be spamming, I'm not trying to advertise
> > > anyone or anything. Even if I was, this isn't a forum,
> > > but we've already had this discussion.[/color]
> >
> > Ivor, as much as I respect your knowledge of all things
> > voip, etc., you are wrong on this one. A forum is any
> > place where things can be discussed, not just a "bulletin
> > board" type website. Live long and prosper, but stick to
> > voip not linguistics.[/color]
>
> As has been discussed ad nauseum in other places, I am *not* wrong. We are
> talking about *Usenet* convention and not dictionary definition.[/color]

Usenet doesn't render an ordinary dictionary wrong or inapplicable.
This is a forum for discussion, in the general sense of the word.
[color=blue]
> Usenet is a platform where groups are hosted in multiple locations using
> nntp format. Forums are web based, hosted in a single location using http
> access.
>
> *That* is the definition I apply and the only one I recognise.[/color]

Then you are blind to the truth.
[color=blue]
> Take it or leave it, I do not propose to discuss it further here, it has
> already been done to death elsewhere.[/color]

I used to get angry at what I regarded as "misuse" of words such
as "velocity" or "vector". To a mathematician or physicist,
"velocity" means speed with a particular direction, and "vector"
means a quantity that has both magnitude and direction. However,
I had to recognise that ordinary people use "velocity" synonymously
with "speed", and, to medical people, a "vector" can be a means of
transport of a disease, for example. All those meanings are
correct.

Many words have multiple meanings. "Forum" is one such. Get used
to it.

Dave