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I was hoping some one in here could recommend a fixed line telephone
provider that has cheap (or free, but this probably unlikely) line
rental.

I have just started using voip for my calls (via voip.co.uk) and no
longer use my land line. I have burglar alarm with an auto-dialer
which I still want plugged into my land line (as I'm still not to
confident about the reliability of my Internet connection).

If possible I want to switch my phone line to some one with lower line
rental even if it means having to pay more for the phone calls (only
calls via the line will be from the burglar alarm, which so far has
only gone off the once in the last 18 months).

Thanks for you help

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Sahil

"Sahil Akhlaq" <spam-trap@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:auf2039j8ih4jlqfsg5uqchdk2467nlrsv@4ax.com...[color=blue]
>I was hoping some one in here could recommend a fixed line telephone
> provider that has cheap (or free, but this probably unlikely) line
> rental.
>
> I have just started using voip for my calls (via voip.co.uk) and no
> longer use my land line. I have burglar alarm with an auto-dialer
> which I still want plugged into my land line (as I'm still not to
> confident about the reliability of my Internet connection).
>
> If possible I want to switch my phone line to some one with lower line
> rental even if it means having to pay more for the phone calls (only
> calls via the line will be from the burglar alarm, which so far has
> only gone off the once in the last 18 months).
>
> Thanks for you help
>
> --
> Sahil[/color]

I presume you must be with VirginMedia for BB if you have no landline. If
you are outside of your minimum term, you could phone up their retentions
team and ask to cancel service. I quoted an Orange offer and they (sort of)
matched it by giving me 10mb bb + landline + 24hr inclusive calls for £20
pcm.

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:45:51 GMT, "Herman"
<whhitehousemadhouse-2005@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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>[color=green]
>> Sahil[/color]
>
>I presume you must be with VirginMedia for BB if you have no landline. If
>you are outside of your minimum term, you could phone up their retentions
>team and ask to cancel service. I quoted an Orange offer and they (sort of)
>matched it by giving me 10mb bb + landline + 24hr inclusive calls for £20
>pcm.
>[/color]

My land line is currently with talktalk but since I now use either
voip or my mobile for my calls I thought I could maybe find a phone
provider very cheap line rental I could keep my burglar alarm plugged
in to that.

I currently only have my broadband connection from virginmedia but
will give them a call as I'm paying £27 pounds for my Internet
connection so if I can save £7 pounds and get a phone line thrown in
to that'll be a bonus.

Thanks for your help.

--
Sahil

"Sahil Akhlaq" <spam-trap@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:o0i203d8q16odudqb66f4kr58ash3vot23@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:45:51 GMT, "Herman"
> <whhitehousemadhouse-2005@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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>>[color=darkred]
>>> Sahil[/color]
>>
>>I presume you must be with VirginMedia for BB if you have no landline. If
>>you are outside of your minimum term, you could phone up their retentions
>>team and ask to cancel service. I quoted an Orange offer and they (sort
>>of)
>>matched it by giving me 10mb bb + landline + 24hr inclusive calls for £20
>>pcm.
>>[/color]
>
> My land line is currently with talktalk but since I now use either
> voip or my mobile for my calls I thought I could maybe find a phone
> provider very cheap line rental I could keep my burglar alarm plugged
> in to that.[/color]

But they don't like ADSL on red care lines.
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>
> I currently only have my broadband connection from virginmedia but
> will give them a call as I'm paying £27 pounds for my Internet
> connection so if I can save £7 pounds and get a phone line thrown in
> to that'll be a bonus.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> --
> Sahil[/color]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:30:01 -0000, "R. Mark Clayton"
<nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote:
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>[/color]
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>
>But they don't like ADSL on red care lines.
>[/color]
Internet connection is with Virginmedia

--
Sahil

On 21 Mar 2007, Sahil Akhlaq <spam-trap@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
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>On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, "R. Mark Clayton" wrote:[/color]
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>>But they don't like ADSL on red care lines.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>Internet connection is with Virginmedia[/color]

RedCare is a facility where (AFAIK) a tone is passed down the line and if
there's no tone, an alarm is triggered (it means that a burglar cutting a
phone line, to prevent an autodial alarm, will trigger the alarm by the
action of cutting the wire).

I suspect RMC is unaware that there is a version of RedCare which is able
to work with ADSL on the same line (and it was unclear from the original
post as to whether RedCare is involved anyway - if it is on your line,
I expect the Alarm firm charges you annually in advance [but pays BT
only each quarter, so they have your cash and earn interest on it]).

ITplc ([url]www.itplc.com[/url]) might do lower cost line rental, though it may not
be ideal (an annual contract, and was only a small amount cheaper that
BT). With any one of these 'third party' firms a faults need to be
reported first to your phone service firm, which will contact BT
(Openreach), so there may be a delay getting any fault fixed

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:18:12 +0000, NoNeedToKnow
<me@privacy.net.invalid> wrote:
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>On 21 Mar 2007, Sahil Akhlaq <spam-trap@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, "R. Mark Clayton" wrote:[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>But they don't like ADSL on red care lines.[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
>>Internet connection is with Virginmedia[/color]
>
>RedCare is a facility where (AFAIK) a tone is passed down the line and if
>there's no tone, an alarm is triggered (it means that a burglar cutting a
>phone line, to prevent an autodial alarm, will trigger the alarm by the
>action of cutting the wire).
>
>I suspect RMC is unaware that there is a version of RedCare which is able
>to work with ADSL on the same line (and it was unclear from the original
>post as to whether RedCare is involved anyway - if it is on your line,
>I expect the Alarm firm charges you annually in advance [but pays BT
>only each quarter, so they have your cash and earn interest on it]).[/color]

Now I understand. My Burglar alarm is not the monitored type, instead
it's got a automated dialer inside the house which rings 3
pre-programmed telephone numbers with a recorded message. so there is
no redcare service involved. I also don't use adsl. I have cable
Internet with virginmedia.

I'm going to try getting the deal Herman mentioned earlier from
virginmedia.

--
Sahil

Sahil Akhlaq wrote:[color=blue]
> ... I have burglar alarm with an auto-dialer
> which I still want plugged into my land line (as I'm still not to
> confident about the reliability of my Internet connection).[/color]

You could use a "premicell" (fixed cellular terminal) which provides a
'telephone line' interface for the burglar alarm, but uses a SIM card
and the mobile phone network.

Quite a lot of professional alarms use something like this as a backup
against the phone line being cut - Redcare monitors the line and detects
the fault, but once the line is cut no further information is available
from the alarm.

Owain

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> ITplc ([url]www.itplc.com[/url]) might do lower cost line rental, though it may not
> be ideal (an annual contract, and was only a small amount cheaper that
> BT). With any one of these 'third party' firms a faults need to be
> reported first to your phone service firm, which will contact BT
> (Openreach), so there may be a delay getting any fault fixed[/color]

There should not be a delay in getting faults fixed - it's a common
misconception that BT Retail fix faults faster than other service
providers, in fact Openreach figures prove that on average they fix
faults faster for other service providers than they do for BT Retail -
although performance of course does vary across different providers.

See -
[url]http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/products/wlr/downloads/Non-Discrimination%20KPIs%20-%20combined%20reporting%20Industry%20February%2007a_.xls[/url]

On Mar 21, 8:17 pm, Sahil Akhlaq <spam-t...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:18:12 +0000, NoNeedToKnow
>
>
>
> <m...@privacy.net.invalid> wrote:[color=green]
> >On 21 Mar 2007, Sahil Akhlaq <spam-t...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >>On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, "R. Mark Clayton" wrote:[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >>>But they don't like ADSL on red care lines.[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >>Internet connection is with Virginmedia[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
> >RedCare is a facility where (AFAIK) a tone is passed down the line and if
> >there's no tone, an alarm is triggered (it means that a burglar cutting a
> >phone line, to prevent an autodial alarm, will trigger the alarm by the
> >action of cutting the wire).[/color]
>[color=green]
> >I suspect RMC is unaware that there is a version of RedCare which is able
> >to work with ADSL on the same line (and it was unclear from the original
> >post as to whether RedCare is involved anyway - if it is on your line,
> >I expect the Alarm firm charges you annually in advance [but pays BT
> >only each quarter, so they have your cash and earn interest on it]).[/color]
>
> Now I understand. My Burglar alarm is not the monitored type, instead
> it's got a automated dialer inside the house which rings 3
> pre-programmed telephone numbers with a recorded message. so there is
> no redcare service involved. I also don't use adsl. I have cable
> Internet with virginmedia.
>
> I'm going to try getting the deal Herman mentioned earlier from
> virginmedia.
>
> --
> Sahil[/color]

You may wish to consider the BT Light User scheme - if you use the
line very little for calls then you get a discount off your line
rental.