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"Andy Lord" <andy.lord.uk@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172345476.914428.162240@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com

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> Ivor, have a word with yourself.
>
> If there's a meeting in the Village Hall where things are
> discussed amongst the attendees then it's what's known as
> a 'forum'. Convention might dictate that it's actually a
> Village Hall but the meeting can still be described by
> English-speaking people as a 'forum'. Even if I built the
> Village Hall (which I did as it happens) I can accept
> that a discussion held within it could be described as a
> forum.[/color]

True, but we're not in a village hall. This is usenet, where a meeting
place like this is referred to by general consensus over many years
standing as a newsgroup, not a forum.
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> You're obviously a fairly intelligent person - and in
> some ways *almost* likeable - but your blinkered views on
> virtually *everything* are frankly ridiculous.[/color]

If you say so. That doesn't mean I'm wrong.
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> I don't expect a response because you claim to have
> killfiled me. Your loss I'm afraid.[/color]

Not yet, do I still have a reason..?

Ivor

"Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
news:erq68d$j76$2$830fa79d@news.demon.co.uk[color=blue]
> On 2007-02-24, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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> > Agree or not, as you choose. Doesn't change the *fact*
> > that this group is not a forum. I'm sorry to harp on
> > about the fact that I got this group created, but I did
> > and I didn't create a forum, I created a newsgroup.[/color]
>
> And rewarded yourself with a good rest from your labours
> on the seventh day, one hopes.[/color]

It took a lot longer than that, I can tell you :-)

Ivor

On Feb 24, 9:59 pm, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> "Andy Lord" <andy.lord...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172345476.914428.162240@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com
>
> [snip]
>[color=green]
> > Ivor, have a word with yourself.[/color]
>[color=green]
> > If there's a meeting in the Village Hall where things are
> > discussed amongst the attendees then it's what's known as
> > a 'forum'. Convention might dictate that it's actually a
> > Village Hall but the meeting can still be described by
> > English-speaking people as a 'forum'. Even if I built the
> > Village Hall (which I did as it happens) I can accept
> > that a discussion held within it could be described as a
> > forum.[/color]
>
> True, but we're not in a village hall. This is usenet, where a meeting
> place like this is referred to by general consensus over many years
> standing as a newsgroup, not a forum.[/color]

But the 'forum' is the interaction between people, not the fabric of
the building, not usenet, nor any website.

Forgive me, I'm good at understanding abstract concepts but not at
describing them. Please bear with me.

You can presumably understand that a live phone-in (geographical
numbers only!) debate on television (let's use Question Time as an
example) may be accurately described as a 'forum'?

Does the fact that it's a forum for debate stop it being a television
programme?

Does the fact that it's a television programme stop it being a forum
for debate?

The word 'forum' describes the interaction of people within a venue,
rather than describing the physical characteristics of the venue
itself.

--
Andy

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:59:38 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

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>True, but we're not in a village hall. This is usenet, where a meeting
>place like this is referred to by general consensus over many years
>standing as a newsgroup, not a forum.[/color]

And like the people who enter a village hall make up a forum so
people whe enter newsgroups make a forum also .

"Andy Lord" <andy.lord.uk@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172356155.413254.253700@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com[color=blue]
> On Feb 24, 9:59 pm, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid>
> wrote:[color=green]
> > "Andy Lord" <andy.lord...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1172345476.914428.162240@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com
> >
> > [snip]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Ivor, have a word with yourself.[/color]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > If there's a meeting in the Village Hall where things
> > > are discussed amongst the attendees then it's what's
> > > known as a 'forum'. Convention might dictate that
> > > it's actually a Village Hall but the meeting can
> > > still be described by English-speaking people as a
> > > 'forum'. Even if I built the Village Hall (which I
> > > did as it happens) I can accept that a discussion
> > > held within it could be described as a forum.[/color]
> >
> > True, but we're not in a village hall. This is usenet,
> > where a meeting place like this is referred to by
> > general consensus over many years standing as a
> > newsgroup, not a forum.[/color]
>
> But the 'forum' is the interaction between people, not
> the fabric of the building, not usenet, nor any website.[/color]

By your description, perhaps. But by usenet definition and convention, a
discussion or topic taking place in a newsgroup is not called forum.

That is the point I am trying to make.


Ivor

<J.Clavox@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:8ue1u2d3gs7a12r3ogr60ju9d5ndi78jq4@4ax.com[color=blue]
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:59:38 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
> > True, but we're not in a village hall. This is usenet,
> > where a meeting place like this is referred to by
> > general consensus over many years standing as a
> > newsgroup, not a forum.[/color]
>
> And like the people who enter a village hall make up a
> forum so people whe enter newsgroups make a forum also .[/color]

Not by usenet tradition.

Ivor

On Feb 24, 10:39 pm, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> <J.Cla...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8ue1u2d3gs7a12r3ogr60ju9d5ndi78jq4@4ax.com
>[color=green]
> > On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:59:38 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
> > <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > True, but we're not in a village hall. This is usenet,
> > > where a meeting place like this is referred to by
> > > general consensus over many years standing as a
> > > newsgroup, not a forum.[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
> > And like the people who enter a village hall make up a
> > forum so people whe enter newsgroups make a forum also .[/color]
>
> Not by usenet tradition.
>[/color]

As you assert. I believe the 'Jargon File' is more authoritative than
either of us though:

n. [Usenet, GEnie, CI$; pl. `fora' or `forums'] Any discussion group
accessible through a dial-in BBS, a mailing list, or a newsgroup (see
the network). A forum functions much like a bulletin board; users
submit postings for all to read and discussion ensues. Contrast real-
time chat via talk mode or point-to-point personal email.
--
Andy

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:45e03eea.0@entanet[color=green]
>> Use a dictionary, not your own personal definitions.[/color]
>
> Not my personal definition, usenet convention. How long have you been on
> usenet again..?[/color]

I wasn't going to reply, but as you are asking me a direct question...

13 years.

On Feb 22, 1:57 pm, "JCH" <hughes....@gmail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> You say that there is a choice of 2 Million numbers. Does that mean
> that if I request a number a little further up the list of numbers for
> a particular area code youy will be able to release it?[/color]

JCH,

I hope you are happy with the number we released for you as per your
request.

F

On Feb 26, 7:51 am, "fa103" <f.alam...@connexin.co.uk> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Feb 22, 1:57 pm, "JCH" <hughes....@gmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > You say that there is a choice of 2 Million numbers. Does that mean
> > that if I request a number a little further up the list of numbers for
> > a particular area code youy will be able to release it?[/color]
>
> JCH,
>
> I hope you are happy with the number we released for you as per your
> request.
>
> F[/color]

Yes it's great. Thank's for the prompt service.

John.