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<M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:66fbo2ddlfbieepts826uslmkbd4983oek@4ax.com[color=blue]
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 20:40:16 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
> >
> > Ivor
> >[/color]
> No they are a unit of measurement what all Europeans use
> oh do forgive me you aren't a European are you Ivor .[/color]

At last he sees the light..! There is hope for you yet Ron.

Ivor

Thus spaketh [email]M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk[/email]:[color=blue]
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:26:57 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
> <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>> Sorry, was brought up on metric and was only taught metric. :-)[/color]
>
> In that case you should have attended school in the days when teachers
> taught children instead of sitting around watching children playing on
> computers all day long and collecting a massive salary for doing it .[/color]


It was only in the last 3 years of my schooling that computers were
brought in, and for the first year it we could only use them during
lunch time and after-school activities.

There were a ZX81, Tandy TRS80, BBC B and Commodore PET.

The last two years we had two lessons that required the use of the
computers.

My first actual computer which I spent some of my money that was left to
me when my Dad passed away was a Commodore 64.

It was through my C64 that go me into computers and this is what I have
been working in ever since.

In my first job the company had just upgraded their PCs to 8MHz ones.

I enjoy cooking too, and can remember the book we used throughout the
two years for our exams was metric only and the book was printed in
1968.

That's not to say I don't know the imperial system, but out of the two,
metric wins easily.

Times change, we move on.

Now if only I had bothered with English at school, I hated it, but it
does let me down from time to time, maths, the various sciences,
technology and cooking I was very good at, and pretty good at most of
the others, except Art, which I'm even more dreadful at than English.


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On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:47:31 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
<bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

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>There were a ZX81, Tandy TRS80, BBC B and Commodore PET.[/color]

These are all long before my computer life started but I do remember
the Tandy shops being around .
[color=blue]
> except Art, which I'm even more dreadful at than English.[/color]

I have never been good at English most other subjects I can get by
except history never could understand what knowing what Henry the
eighth had for breakfast on his 21 birthday could be of use to me
still can't . The metric system is all double Dutch to me yet I find
handling the Euro much easier than our pounds and pence when I
need to but liters and meters no thinks :))) excuse the deliberate
spelling mistakes ;)))))))))))))))))).
I am more for getting the toolbox out and getting on with the job and
sod the paper work if you see what I mean and always have been .

On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:02:06 GMT, Dave Higton
<davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

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>I was brought up on the Imperial system. Then, in my teens, I
>discovered how much easier the metric system makes life.[/color]
Maybe for you Dave but there are people like me who have used the
Imperial system for quite a lot longer than you have I had no problem
when we switched from £SD to pounds and pence neither had others of my
age but the older and not so old had a hell of a time with the switch.[color=blue]
>I've spent these last 40-ish years using the metric system, and
>I wouldn't like to go back to Imperial![/color]
I know one guy who is younger than you and he has to think about
metric but is **** hot when it comes to Imperial and he attended
boarding school until he was sixteen .
I used to go to the filling station and put x number of gallons in the
tank now like most people I see filling up I put x number of POUNDS in
the tank. I hardly see anyone stopping at the lire marks just like in
shops most people still ask for a pound or two ounces or whatever of
this or that and so do I .

Brian wrote:
[color=blue]
> On 2006-12-17, Stan <SPAM_FOILER@some.domain> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:53:35 UTC, Brian <bandj@o2.co.uk> opined:[color=darkred]
> >> On 2006-12-16, Stan <SPAM_FOILER@some.domain> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I was very careful to be precise in key-entry, and reviewed the
> >> > settings twice afterward, before saving them. The settings for my LAN
> >> > (IPaddress, subnet mask, gateway address etc. are unchanged and
> >> > undisturbed, of course, from their content with VOIPcheap.
> >> >
> >> > I then, according to Paragraph IV of the instructions, logged on to
> >> ><http://www.icallhere.com>, using my iConnect ID and password. What
> >> > stopped me cold was the next step, which is "Click 'Go to my
> >> > devices'", because the menu on that page contained no such item. I
> >> > attempted then to return to the PAP2 configuration screens, and found
> >> > that I was no longer able to communicate with it at all.
> >>
> >> Part of the setting up process includes allowing remote provisioning of
> >> the ATA. I've no detailed insight into what happens but the rl-init.cfg
> >> would seem to configure some of the PAP2's parameters to suit the
> >> iconnecthere service. But IP addresses etc are not touched. Name servers
> >> are altered but that shouldn't matter. A change to the firmware is a
> >> possibility.
> >>
> >> I cannot see the provisioning being other than benign but have read that
> >> interupting the process by, for example, disconnecting the ATA from the
> >> power supply, can leave the ATA in an unusable state. Also, unlocked
> >> units tend to be locked again. Nothing like that applies here, does it?
> >>
> >> Brian.[/color]
> >
> > That's exactly what I am afraid of. See my original description above.
> > The experience with the provisioning site was also the point at which
> > it became impossible to view the configuration screens, or to
> > otherwise communicate with the device.[/color]
>
> You could go through the whole process again in an attempt to get the
> PAP2 recognised by iConnect. If it is the cause of your problems you
> have little to lose.
>
> Brian.[/color]

Just looked at my spa2102 user guide, using IVR.

"user factory reset" > 877778 "The adaptor will request confirmation,
enter 1 to confirm
the adaptor will reboot and all user configurable settings will be reset

"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
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[snip]
[color=blue]
> It was only in the last 3 years of my schooling that
> computers were brought in, and for the first year it we
> could only use them during lunch time and after-school
> activities.
> There were a ZX81, Tandy TRS80, BBC B and Commodore PET.[/color]

Knew 'em well..! Learned BASIC on the TRS80..! The BBC B, believe it or
not, is still actually in use within the BBC for certain specialised
purposes..!
[color=blue]
> I enjoy cooking too, and can remember the book we used
> throughout the two years for our exams was metric only
> and the book was printed in 1968.
>
> That's not to say I don't know the imperial system, but
> out of the two, metric wins easily.[/color]

For some. Me, I just can't think in metric terms and I don't see why I
should have to. Why can't both be used..? Why should a shopkeeper be
prosecuted for selling apples by the pound, if that's what the customer
wants..?

My 80-yr old mother understands metric even less than I do and it is a
nightmare for her when it comes to shopping and cooking.
[color=blue]
> Times change, we move on.[/color]

Whether we want to or not..? No, I won't accept that.


Ivor

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:15:46 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

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> Why should a shopkeeper be
>prosecuted for selling apples by the pound, if that's what the customer
>wants..?[/color]
But most supermarkets are still displaying the price pr pound or what
ever Ivor so that causes no problems for me I just wish filling
stations would display the price pr gallon also and there is noting in
law to stop a shopkeeper from selling you two apples .

On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:24:55 UTC, Brian <bandj@o2.co.uk> opined:[color=blue]
> On 2006-12-17, Stan <SPAM_FOILER@some.domain> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:28:14 UTC, Brian <bandj@o2.co.uk> opined:[color=darkred]
> >> ****7932#[/color][/color][/color]

Now that the discussions of beverages and of the virtues of a system
of weights and measures based on the anatomy of long-dead kings are
over, and I have had the opportunity to read some of the Sipura User
Guide (which I never saw before -- the "improved" Linksys version is
much inferior, and I had not read it throughly, to tell the truth), I
think
I can present the current state of affairs in a more organized way:

I have tried to apply the above code (which is, by the way, not a
toggle: it enables or disables explicitly, according to 1 or 0
confirmation, which is much more logical). It doesn't work, because it
requires a password. The IVR asks for one, and I don't know what it
is.

So I began again, and reset the device with "73738". According to the
list in the User Guide, this is a total factory reset, so I expected
everything to be erased. In fact, the DHCP had been returned to its
default "enabled" state, and I had to disable it. After that, I found
that the pre-existing values for static IP address, gateway address,
subnet mask, and primary DNS are all intact, which surprised me.

After hanging up the handset, I tried again to use 7932 (to ensure
that the web server is enabled), and was asked for a password. I don't
know a password, never having set one, put tried "password"
(=72779673), which IVR declared invalid. I discovered that even the
code 111 requires a password now, which it never did before.

I can hang up, check the IP address, and repeat this cycle any number
of times, and always find the IP has survived. But if I use code 111
to try to change it, and then hang up, code 111 tells me that the IP
address is 0.0.0.0. After this, of course, there is no request for
password, and the attempt to access the configuration screens simply
times out. This goes a long way toward explaining why I have sometimes
reported the request for password from the browser attempt and
sometimes not. It is also incomprehensible as a way for the device to
react to an unauthorized action.

After I wrote all of the above, I chanced upon a list of common
factory passwords that one can expect to find on PAP2 ATAs, to wit:

78196365
50274537
7756112
8995523
5465866

I haven't time to check these out right now, but I will do so at the
first opportunity.
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> >
> > Would you please elaborate on what this code does? Enable, disable, or
> > toggle? Where is there a listing of such codes? The only ones I know
> > about are the three-digit ones for setting up the IP addresses, etc.
> > (I got 73738 from Linksys support)/[/color]
>
> Toggle. It also drip feeds strong espresso to the homunculus. Try it. No
> harm can be done. Not the ATA anyway.
>
> The ATA User Guide at [url]http://www.sipura.com/support/index.htm[/url].
>
> Brian.[/color]

On 2006-12-18, Stan <SPAM_FOILER@some.domain> wrote:
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>> > On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:28:14 UTC, Brian <bandj@o2.co.uk> opined:
>> >> ****7932#[/color][/color]
> I have tried to apply the above code (which is, by the way, not a
> toggle: it enables or disables explicitly, according to 1 or 0
> confirmation, which is much more logical). It doesn't work, because it
> requires a password. The IVR asks for one, and I don't know what it
> is.[/color]

You didn't password protect the ATA so it's beginning to look more and
more like iConnect put it there. I imagine you have asked the question
directly of them.

[Snip]
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> After I wrote all of the above, I chanced upon a list of common
> factory passwords that one can expect to find on PAP2 ATAs, to wit:
>
> 78196365
> 50274537
> 7756112
> 8995523
> 5465866
>
> I haven't time to check these out right now, but I will do so at the
> first opportunity.[/color]

You could add 682592248 to your list to check.

Brian

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:21:28 UTC, Brian <bandj@o2.co.uk> opined:[color=blue]
> On 2006-12-18, Stan <SPAM_FOILER@some.domain> wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> > On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:28:14 UTC, Brian <bandj@o2.co.uk> opined:
> >> >> ****7932#[/color]
> > I have tried to apply the above code (which is, by the way, not a
> > toggle: it enables or disables explicitly, according to 1 or 0
> > confirmation, which is much more logical). It doesn't work, because it
> > requires a password. The IVR asks for one, and I don't know what it
> > is.[/color]
>
> You didn't password protect the ATA so it's beginning to look more and
> more like iConnect put it there. I imagine you have asked the question
> directly of them.[/color]

Not yet, though the same thought has occured to me. This morning
(having supplied them with my 8-digit ID because they couldn't find me
in their records) I received an email from them, telling me that they
didn't know what to make of the "automatic response" I sent them. I do
not send automatic responses to anyone, and my domain doesn't even
send bounce messages when it receives a message addressed to an
unrecognized username. Delta3/iConnect is easily the most screwed up
organization I have ever encountered. Nothing would induce me to use
their service.

I will also ask Linksys if there is a way to obliterate the password.
I rather doubt it; it is entirely possible that I have a rather
expensive paperweight.
[color=blue]
> [Snip]
>[color=green]
> > After I wrote all of the above, I chanced upon a list of common
> > factory passwords that one can expect to find on PAP2 ATAs, to wit:
> >
> > 78196365
> > 50274537
> > 7756112
> > 8995523
> > 5465866
> >
> > I haven't time to check these out right now, but I will do so at the
> > first opportunity.[/color]
>
> You could add 682592248 to your list to check.[/color]

Another look at what I found has shown me that those passwords are not
factory PWs at all, but are what Vonage uses -- more evidence of my
advancing age. Where did you find the one you have added?
[color=blue]
> Brian[/color]

--
Stan