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Puffnstuff wrote:[color=blue]
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:28:29 +0000, Desk Rabbit <no-spam@example.com>
> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>¬Stephen Hammond wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>>>>>But of course no one says anything about VOIP needing the
>>>>>>>>Modem router on all the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why should they..?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ivor
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why is skype so popular when is so **** then ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Because it isn't **** and that's the problem
>>>
>>>Well Skype isn't that good if you have to have the computer on :(
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>And routing the calls through completely untrusted systems give me the
>>heebe-geebees.[/color]
>
>
> And you use Plusnet and Windoze?
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>[/color]

Nope, I use Nildram and Windows. I also have three Linux servers, an
Asterisk phone system running under Linux, two Windows 2003 servers and
a Linux workstation here. I use Windows on the desktop because I need to
run the same software as my clients. I use Linux on the desktop becuase
I need to run the same software as my clients. I support enterprise
level Windows & Linux server based networks that span the world. I build
and support Linux web servers that run major web sites. I have designed
and built a Linux based anti-spam system that we deploy in front of
Microsoft Exchange servers.

It's called using the right tools for the job so please don't start
another stupid OS war because you are talking to somebody who has his
feet in both camps and understands the strengths and weaknesses of each.

Martin² wrote:[color=blue]
> Desk rabbit:
>[color=green]
>>And routing the calls through completely untrusted systems give me the
>>heebe-geebees.[/color]
>
>
> It's encrypted, and hasn't been cracked yet, worst case you lose the call.
> Regards,
> Martin
>
>[/color]
Yet being the operative word. With vast quantities of data being routed
through any computer, there is enough sample data available to make it
just a matter of time before it is finally compromised.

In my humble opinion......

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:27:23 +0000, Desk Rabbit <no-spam@example.com>
wrote:
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>
>It's called using the right tools for the job so please don't start
>another stupid OS war because you are talking to somebody who has his
>feet in both camps and understands the strengths and weaknesses of each.[/color]

Well, you WOULD say that wouldn't you.

My dads bigger than your dad.

Puffnstuff wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:27:23 +0000, Desk Rabbit <no-spam@example.com>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> It's called using the right tools for the job so please don't start
>> another stupid OS war because you are talking to somebody who has his
>> feet in both camps and understands the strengths and weaknesses of each.[/color]
>
> Well, you WOULD say that wouldn't you.[/color]

I suppose I would wouldn't I if I was telling the truth? Never mind,
switched over to the Linux workstation to send this reply just for you.

Enjoy :-)

¬Stephen Hammond wrote:
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> Well Skype isn't that good if you have to have the computer on :([/color]

You don't have to have the computer on - you can buy a stand-alone Skype
handset.

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Desk Rabbit wrote:
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> And routing the calls through completely untrusted systems give me the
> heebe-geebees.[/color]

So why are you interested in VoIP then?

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"alexd" <look@my.sig> wrote in message
news:2250870.rmDL8siOWN@ale.cx[color=blue]
> ¬Stephen Hammond wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Well Skype isn't that good if you have to have the
> > computer on :([/color]
>
> You don't have to have the computer on - you can buy a
> stand-alone Skype handset.[/color]

But not an ATA that allows a normal handset or connection to a PBX.

Ivor

Rabbit: (suitable nickname ?)[color=blue]
>Yet being the operative word. With vast quantities of data being routed
>through any computer, there is enough sample data available to make it just
>a matter of time before it is finally compromised.[/color]

Lots of encoded voice alone isn't much help, anyway there is no reason for
anyone
(exc. MI5/6 CIA, but they probably have access from Skype already ?)
to crack it, just to listen to people rabbit on the phone ?
Yes, you could create a Skype compatible application, but then they will
just change the encryption...
Regards,
Martin

Ivor Jones wrote:
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> "alexd" <look@my.sig> wrote in message
> news:2250870.rmDL8siOWN@ale.cx[color=green]
>> ¬Stephen Hammond wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > Well Skype isn't that good if you have to have the
>> > computer on :([/color]
>>
>> You don't have to have the computer on - you can buy a
>> stand-alone Skype handset.[/color]
>
> But not an ATA that allows a normal handset or connection to a PBX.[/color]

I take it you've never used Skype, then - it's not really a PSTN-oriented
VoIP system. You have a "buddy list" sort of thing like IM clients have,
and you can see your buddies presence information [available, offline,
busy, Skype Me, etc]. Using such a system through a 12 button phone handset
would be a bit of a nightmare. So for that reason, I can't see a standalone
Skype ATA making much sense.

Skype do have Skype In where you can get yourself a PSTN phone number that
points to your Skype username, but this costs money and they only have five
UK area codes. Give that Sipgate can give you any area code in the UK for
free, it seems like a bit of a bust unless you've already invested money in
Skype hardware [for example]. So for that reason, I can't see a standalone
Skype ATA making much sense.

Skype also have Skype Out where you can call PSTN numbers, but again, their
rates aren't particularly impressive compared to other VoIP providers. So
for that reason, I can't see a standalone Skype ATA making much sense.

Of course, just because I can't see the point from an end-user's perspective
of buying or using such a device, doesn't mean that one isn't being made
and sold as we speak.

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alexd wrote:[color=blue]
> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>And routing the calls through completely untrusted systems give me the
>>heebe-geebees.[/color]
>
>
> So why are you interested in VoIP then?
>[/color]
What makes you think my voip calls go through untrusted systems? When a
call comes into my office and I'm at home, my voip data is sent over and
encrypted VPN link from the office to home without going anywhere else.