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"divoch" <divoch@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message
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> One thing I know is that Simbian based mobiles with Wi-Fi cannot
> run Skype yet while MS Windows based mobiles can. Not sure
> about SIP and mobiles at all.[/color]


Symbian not Simbian, my appologies
divoch

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:24:21 GMT, "divoch"
<divoch@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote:
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>Is there no way to check and prevent the excessive use? Also, I presume
>you would have to actually have PC on 24/7 for it to happen? I would
>like to know more about this so that I am less ignorant about the subject.[/color]

I haven't worked out the rules myself. It was still connected but not
downloading or uploading the last time I looked at it.

Phil
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:44:00 GMT, "divoch"
<divoch@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote:
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>Surely I can do the same with using Skype and the "true" SIP based
>services interchangeably in order to get the best out of them all?[/color]

of course, but you may end up with parallel systems and multiple
"phones" to achieve it which may or may not be convenient.

With a SIP ATA hooked into a BT phone line you have all the options
covered apart from Skype or IAX systems.

Phil
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:55:43 +0000 (UTC), Brian <bandj@o2.co.uk>
wrote:
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>My view of how supernodes work mainly relies on what is in the Network
>Administrator's Guide at [url]www.skype.com/security[/url]. It mentions the need
>for a host to have a direct connection to the internet.[/color]

Thanks for the link. I found this
"Under normal circumstances, a Skype client functions as an ordinary
node in the Skype network. However, a Skype client that is running on
a high-performance computer with a healthy connection directly to the
Internet may, under certain conditions, “wake up” to support the
global index by acting as a supernode or relay host thus giving the
Skype network minor but essential additional capabilities above and
beyond the simple capabilities that end users are aware they actually
need."

but nothing really definitive about the "rules". It certainly says
that NAT clients behind friendly firewalls may take on extra
responsibilities. There are also bandwidth limits which do coincide
with the traffic rates I saw.

[url]http://www.skype.com/security/guide-for-network-admins-30beta.pdf[/url]
also says on p12 "The Skype Windows client now supports a visual
bandwidth indicator, which is turned off by default."

To turn it on Go to Tools -> Options -> Advanced and put a checkmark
in the box to “Display Skype bandwidth usage.

Phil
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"Phil Thompson" <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:24:21 GMT, "divoch"
> <divoch@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote:
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>>Is there no way to check and prevent the excessive use? Also, I presume
>>you would have to actually have PC on 24/7 for it to happen? I would
>>like to know more about this so that I am less ignorant about the subject.[/color]
>
> I haven't worked out the rules myself. It was still connected but not
> downloading or uploading the last time I looked at it.
>[/color]
I think my PC is unlikely to be chosen as a supernode because I do not
leave PC on 24/7 and hey, I am on NTL "not so high speed" broadband.
I am also rather unclear if the fact that I am connected via
Linksys SRX Wi-Fi router with a firewall has any bearing onto this
possibility.
divoch

"Phil Thompson" <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:55:43 +0000 (UTC), Brian <bandj@o2.co.uk>
> wrote:[color=green]
>> [url]http://www.skype.com/security/guide-for-network-admins-30beta.pdf[/url][/color]
> also says on p12 "The Skype Windows client now supports a visual
> bandwidth indicator, which is turned off by default."
>
> To turn it on Go to Tools -> Options -> Advanced and put a checkmark
> in the box to "Display Skype bandwidth usage.
>[/color]

I do not seem to have this option there, only Display technical Info.
I wonder if it has been lost in an upgrade
divoch

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:22:24 GMT, "divoch"
<divoch@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote:
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>I do not seem to have this option there, only Display technical Info.
>I wonder if it has been lost in an upgrade[/color]

same here. The URL of the PDF suggests its in a Beta version 3.0

Phil
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On 2006-11-22, Phil Thompson <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote:
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> Thanks for the link. I found this
> "Under normal circumstances, a Skype client functions as an ordinary
> node in the Skype network. However, a Skype client that is running on
> a high-performance computer with a healthy connection directly to the
> Internet may, under certain conditions, “wake up” to support the
> global index by acting as a supernode or relay host thus giving the
> Skype network minor but essential additional capabilities above and
> beyond the simple capabilities that end users are aware they actually
> need."
>
> but nothing really definitive about the "rules". It certainly says
> that NAT clients behind friendly firewalls may take on extra
> responsibilities. There are also bandwidth limits which do coincide
> with the traffic rates I saw.[/color]

I wonder whether a non-restrictive firewall is one which forwards ports
to the host running Skype and having them open causes it to act as relay
host. All the advice I've seen for not becoming a supernode or relay
host involves not being on a routable IP, being behind NAT and not
forwarding ports 80 and 443.
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> [url]http://www.skype.com/security/guide-for-network-admins-30beta.pdf[/url]
> also says on p12 "The Skype Windows client now supports a visual
> bandwidth indicator, which is turned off by default."
>
> To turn it on Go to Tools -> Options -> Advanced and put a checkmark
> in the box to “Display Skype bandwidth usage.[/color]

Added as a response to the sort of conversation we have been having
here? Not having Windows it is of no benefit to me, but for those
interested in testing its usefulness it is in the version at

[url]http://www.skype.com/download/skype/windows/downloading_beta.html[/url]

Brian.

On 2006-11-21, alexd <look@my.sig> wrote:
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> ßødincµs²°°° wrote:
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>> Recently, Brian popped out over the fence
>> around uk.telecom.voip and said...[/color]
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>> |Skype encourages the notion that sharing is good. But behind NAT there
>> |is no sharing. Being a supernode involves a degree of selflessness.
>> Well, sharing is rather good, but piggybacking don't. And Skype doesn't
>> warn users of this "feature" during the installation process (well, it
>> didn't when I tried it).[/color]
>
> A fair point - one shouldn't have to hunt through an EULA to discover the
> material facts about a piece of software one is installing.[/color]

You haven't taken to heart the exhortation:

'better, don't wait for the knowledge ...... get out and seek it.'

Brian.

"Phil Thompson" <phil.thompson@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:44:00 GMT, "divoch"
> <divoch@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Surely I can do the same with using Skype and the "true" SIP based
>>services interchangeably in order to get the best out of them all?[/color]
>
> of course, but you may end up with parallel systems and multiple
> "phones" to achieve it which may or may not be convenient.[/color]

That would not be convenient. My hope is that it will not be necessary
for the use I have in mind, see below
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> With a SIP ATA hooked into a BT phone line you have all the options
> covered apart from Skype or IAX systems.
>[/color]

I am seeking for, as I said elsewhere, a single Wi-Fi enabled device
(e.g. laptop, PDA, or even better a suitable mobile phone) onto which
I could download software from more that one service and use it
interchangeably. In use I see this in a similar way as using various
indirect access telecomms providers when using a standard BT
or cable landline to get best out of the lot.
divoch