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"Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:40:33 GMT, [email]M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk[/email] wrote:
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>>On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:28:15 GMT, "Anthony Thornton"
>><kewl1uk@ntlworld.com> wrote:
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>>>I'm looking to get away from instant messaging and getting a dedicated
>>>residential VOIP service and Vonage is probably the one I'll go for.
>>>
>>>My question is about international call charges. Is this paid in arrears
>>>or
>>>in advance and if it is in arrears is there an advance payment option,
>>>i.e.
>>>PAYG[/color]
>>No paid in arrears but if it is mainly international calls you are
>>making why not go for sip discount or one of the other offering from
>>the same group.[/color]
> A mention was made about voip.co.uk earlier in this thread. I do
> recognise that one of THE main selling points of Vonage is that it is,
> apparently, plug and play.[/color]

<SNIP>
Further, I am well aware that there are[color=blue]
> many people who really don't care too much at all about their on-going
> expenditure so Vonage, for them, is the best to go for.[/color]

If someone is paying £10.50 a month to BT/Telewest/NTL whoever for line
rental alone, and then paying on top of that for calls made, how on earth
are they wasting money by switching to a provder who offers unlimited UK
calls for £7.99/month, with no further charges?

Our Telewest phone bill used to be between £50-£60 per month including line
rental. With Vonage, the dearest its been has been £8.50, including the
monthly price plan and about £3 worth of calls to mobiles as at the time, we
were on a special £5.99 per month deal. Further to that, we don't need to
worry about about how long we are on the phone for, or clock watching the
60-minute rule, which I note applies to some voip.co.uk accounts.

It is also worth pointing out that if you go into your local Comet, they
sell Vonage Phone Adaptors for around £15, doing away with any delivery
costs, and having to send it back. thats how I got my PAP2.

I'm a happy Vonage customer!

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:05:32 GMT, "Andrew Scott" <who@cares.com>
wrote:

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>It is also worth pointing out that if you go into your local Comet, they
>sell Vonage Phone Adaptors for around £15, doing away with any delivery
>costs, and having to send it back. thats how I got my PAP2.[/color]
You are a little behind the times Andrew Vonage do not do the PAP2
these days they have switched to D-Link available from PC World only
at 19.99. I bought one the other week and de commissioned the Motorola
router didn't need the router part having switched over to a wireless
router a few weeks ago the D-Link saved quite a bit of space on my
desk .[color=blue]
>I'm a happy Vonage customer![/color]
So am I although all the skinflints here throw up their hands in
horror at the thought of having to pay less than 27p a day for a GOOD
phone service most would sooner have rubbishy Sipgate for nothing but
they have to pay for all their calls we don't.

Herman wrote:
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> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ejdck8$168v$1@custnews.inweb.co.uk...[/color]
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>> Herman wrote:[/color][/color]
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>>> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message[/color][/color][/color]
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>>> And that's the problem - at the moment they are not obliged to by Ofcom.
>>> As at 2 months ago, all the companies I tried could not do it (but could
>>> for local BT numbers).[/color][/color][/color]
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>> No operator is obliged to port-in, that is correct. NTL are required to
>> port-out, though.
>>
>> It comes down to whether the VoIP operator (or their provider) wants to
>> put the effort into setting up a porting agreement with NTL.[/color][/color]
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> To put it another way: do you or does anyone else know of any VoIP
> operators where there is such an agreement?
>
> If there are none then I guess it doesn't matter what the reason is. If
> there are some then I suspect there are some people on this will be
> interested.[/color]

Perhaps the all-new, caring, sharing Virgin/NTL/Telewest behemoth will be
more lovey-dovey and sign some porting agreements with some VoIP SPs.

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"alexd" <look@my.sig> wrote in message news:2935840.zv7UqGIK0s@ale.cx...[color=blue]
> Herman wrote:
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>> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:ejdck8$168v$1@custnews.inweb.co.uk...[/color]
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>>> Herman wrote:[/color][/color]
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>>>> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message[/color][/color]
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>>>> And that's the problem - at the moment they are not obliged to by
>>>> Ofcom.
>>>> As at 2 months ago, all the companies I tried could not do it (but
>>>> could
>>>> for local BT numbers).[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> No operator is obliged to port-in, that is correct. NTL are required to
>>> port-out, though.
>>>
>>> It comes down to whether the VoIP operator (or their provider) wants to
>>> put the effort into setting up a porting agreement with NTL.[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
>> To put it another way: do you or does anyone else know of any VoIP
>> operators where there is such an agreement?
>>
>> If there are none then I guess it doesn't matter what the reason is. If
>> there are some then I suspect there are some people on this will be
>> interested.[/color]
>
> Perhaps the all-new, caring, sharing Virgin/NTL/Telewest behemoth will be
> more lovey-dovey and sign some porting agreements with some VoIP SPs.
>
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If it was up to them then they wouldn't sign as they'd be struggling to find
a business case I think. They are obliged by Ofcom to offer porting
outbound so I don't think this is something you can lay at their door. It
is actually down to whether theVoIP or their number provider signs the
agreements. This was previously complicated by the technical/financial
arrangements but I think these were solved.