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"Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Sipbroker can assist you to connect to users on open
> networks. Sipgate, Vonage, VoipCheap and voip.co.uk are
> closed to incoming voip calls.[/color]

Sipgate are only closed to networks which have no peering authorisation.
You can call Sipgate from FWD and Gradwell, to name but two, there are
others, see the website.

Ivor

On 2006-11-14, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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> "Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ejcbob$r5j$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk
>
> [snip]
>[color=green]
>> Sipbroker can assist you to connect to users on open networks.
>> Sipgate, Vonage, VoipCheap and voip.co.uk are closed to incoming
>> voip calls.[/color]
>
> Sipgate are only closed to networks which have no peering
> authorisation.[/color]

So - not an open network.
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> You can call Sipgate from FWD and Gradwell, to name
> but two, there are others, see the website.[/color]

I've referred to those two providers elsewhere in this thread. As for
the others: there is no confirmation IPtel, SIPphone or Telio have the
same sort of arrangment with Sipgate.

Brian.

Tim wrote:
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> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> I love it when people say "£1.99 a month for free calls" ;-)
>>[/color]
>
> Its not free. Its un-metered.
>
> But its not really un-metered because of the 1 hour thing.[/color]

So. What's a simple, concise and easy to remember word or phrase to describe
such calls? Off-peak half-metered?

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"Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ejd9e9$g4u$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk[color=blue]
> On 2006-11-14, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:[/color]

[snip]
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> > Sipgate are only closed to networks which have no
> > peering authorisation.[/color]
>
> So - not an open network.[/color]

I don't think they have ever claimed to be this.
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> > You can call Sipgate from FWD and
> > Gradwell, to name but two, there are others, see the
> > website.[/color]
>
> I've referred to those two providers elsewhere in this
> thread. As for the others: there is no confirmation
> IPtel, SIPphone or Telio have the same sort of arrangment
> with Sipgate.[/color]

They're listed on Sipgate's website:

[url]https://secure.sipgate.co.uk/user/tarife.php?show=6#sipcall[/url]

Having said that, they may not work since Sipgate introduced the
authorisation procedure, it took a while to get Gradwell and FWD back on,
I don't have accounts with those you mention so can't comment. Try it and
see. I noticed when FWD and Gradwell came back on the dialling procedure
had changed, instead of **777 followed by the Sipgate SIP ID you now have
to dial 44 followed by the full PSTN number without the initial 0, so for
my speaking clock on Sipgate, SIP ID 1431320 or PSTN 020 7043 1320, you
would dial from Gradwell or FWD:

**777442070431320

If you have accounts with IPtel or the others you mention, check the
dialling format quoted there and try it, if not try the format above and
let me know if it works or not, then I can pass the info on.

FWIW I don't agree with what Sipgate have done, but I understand why they
did it.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
> "Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ejd9e9$g4u$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk[color=green]
>> On 2006-11-14, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:[/color]
>
> [snip]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Sipgate are only closed to networks which have no
>>> peering authorisation.[/color]
>> So - not an open network.[/color]
>
> I don't think they have ever claimed to be this.[/color]

LOL, you just did in the post above. But it was 2am when you posted
this, so I will let you off. :)

"Scope" <scope@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:4554a4cb$0$12612$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...[color=blue]
> Ivor Jones wrote:[color=green]
>> I love it when people say "£1.99 a month for free calls" ;-)[/color]
>
> Look at it as a monthly subscription fee if you want, not unlike mobiles
> where you have inclusive minutes. You dont really have to make many phone
> calls for it to become over £2 a month.
>
> I too have been with voip.co.uk for around 3-4 months and they have been
> great - in fact I dropped my NTL line altought and use voip.co.uk as my
> main incoming phone line.[/color]

What do you do for your outgoing calls (including 999 calls etc)?
Do you rely on a mobile?
divoch

"Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ejcb03$q0s$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...[color=blue]
> On 2006-11-14, Henry Hooray <yri6tus02@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Thanks everybody for their responses.[/color][/color]
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> Also, none of the three providers you mention accept a SIP URI from
> outside their networks, although Sipgate is reported to have a special
> arrangement with Gradwell and FWD.
>
> So, as you say, not very impressive. But that's what you get with closed
> networks. Inbound SIP-to-SIP calls are not blocked by all companies.
> Gradwell, voipfone and voiptalk are among the open networks.
>[/color]

What is the advantage of using a SIP standard when you cannot simply
make free calls between various VOIP services? Isn't the reason for SKYPE
popularity that the number of users is large and so it is more likely that
the calls
between two users can be arranged to be free? What are the disadvantages of
SKYPE compared to the mentioned VOIP services?
divoch

divoch wrote:[color=blue]
> What do you do for your outgoing calls (including 999 calls etc)?
> Do you rely on a mobile?
> divoch[/color]

I use voipdiscount.com for outgoing calls to landlines, in the UK and
abroad, and I am fortunate to have a company mobile from where I call
any UK mobiles if I need to. As for 999, well, luckely I havent had to
call them yet, but if I ever needed to I would probably pick up the
mobile, just in case.

voipdiscount works out great for me, because I need to call abroad to
countries that are not free, so I use my credit that way. Even if you
didnt use the credit (but you probably would if you called mobiles from
it) I think they are great value for money.. Just keep in mind their T&C
tend to change without warning, but for the 6 months I have used them
they havent made any changes that has effected me (only added the 300
minutes a week, which is fine for 99% of users, and stops the few that
take the pi$$).

If you dont make many overseas calls the £1.99 package from voip.co.uk
might be what you are looking for. Compare it with some of the others
and see who is best for you.

"Scope" <scope@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:455b15f6$0$30192$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...[color=blue]
> divoch wrote:[color=green]
>> What do you do for your outgoing calls (including 999 calls etc)?
>> Do you rely on a mobile?
>> divoch[/color]
>
> I use voipdiscount.com for outgoing calls to landlines, in the UK and
> abroad, and I am fortunate to have a company mobile from where I call any
> UK mobiles if I need to. As for 999, well, luckely I havent had to call
> them yet, but if I ever needed to I would probably pick up the mobile,
> just in case.[/color]

From their website: "To counter misuse of our network we have limited these
free* calls for our trial users. If you want to enjoy longer free* calls to
these destinations, just top up your account by buying credit. " but
-it does not say anywhere what is the min. credit one has to purchase. As
the country I would call most is free, it is important information to have
to at hand to asses how best to spend the credit.
-it does not go on to explain how "limited" these free calls are for trial
users.

Currently, using override providers, I pay 0.5min for calls to Czech
landlines, which is less than for my calls to UK landlines

divoch

On 2006-11-15, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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> "Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ejd9e9$g4u$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk[color=green]
>> On 2006-11-14, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:[/color]
>
> [snip]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > Sipgate are only closed to networks which have no peering
>> > authorisation.[/color]
>>
>> So - not an open network.[/color]
>
> I don't think they have ever claimed to be this.[/color]

It would be difficult for them to do so.
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>> > You can call Sipgate from FWD and Gradwell, to name
>> > but two, there are others, see the website.[/color]
>>
>> I've referred to those two providers elsewhere in this thread. As for
>> the others: there is no confirmation IPtel, SIPphone or Telio have
>> the same sort of arrangment with Sipgate.[/color]
>
> They're listed on Sipgate's website:
>
> [url]https://secure.sipgate.co.uk/user/tarife.php?show=6#sipcall[/url]
>
> Having said that, they may not work since Sipgate introduced the
> authorisation procedure, it took a while to get Gradwell and FWD back
> on, I don't have accounts with those you mention so can't comment.
> Try it and see. I noticed when FWD and Gradwell came back on the
> dialling procedure had changed, instead of **777 followed by the
> Sipgate SIP ID you now have to dial 44 followed by the full PSTN
> number without the initial 0, so for my speaking clock on Sipgate, SIP
> ID 1431320 or PSTN 020 7043 1320, you would dial from Gradwell or FWD:
>
> **777442070431320
>
> If you have accounts with IPtel or the others you mention, check the
> dialling format quoted there and try it, if not try the format above
> and let me know if it works or not, then I can pass the info on.[/color]

My curiosity doesn't extend to obtaining voip accounts I do not need and
investigating the correctness or otherwise of Sipgate's information on
that page.
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> FWIW I don't agree with what Sipgate have done, but I understand why
> they did it.[/color]

It's their network to operate as they determine. Not being able to
divert a phone number there or receive a SIP call from most other
networks might not be seen as a disadvantage by the majority of Sipgate
customers. If it is, there are alternative companies to choose from.

Brian.