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On 2006-11-11, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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> "Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
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> [snip]
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>> Please consider continuing to word your posts exactly as you see fit
>> and without having to look over your shoulder for a hobbyhorse
>> bearing down on you. The one in reply to the OP was on topic for this
>> group, accurate and very helpful.[/color]
>
> "Free for £x a month" is accurate..? This must be a new definition of
> the word accurate of which I am unaware, please enlighten me.[/color]

The post accurately reflects the information at [url]www.voip.co.uk[/url].

Brian.

Ivor Jones explained on 11/11/2006 :[color=blue]
> "Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ej2em8$rl7$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk
>
> [snip]
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>> Please consider continuing to word your posts exactly as
>> you see fit and without having to look over your shoulder
>> for a hobbyhorse bearing down on you. The one in reply to
>> the OP was on topic for this group, accurate and very
>> helpful.[/color]
>
> "Free for £x a month" is accurate..? This must be a new definition of the
> word accurate of which I am unaware, please enlighten me.
>
> Ivor[/color]

Perhaps "inclusive for £x month" would be better?

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:23:51 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
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>"Brian" <bandj@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:ej2em8$rl7$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk
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>[snip]
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>> Please consider continuing to word your posts exactly as
>> you see fit and without having to look over your shoulder
>> for a hobbyhorse bearing down on you. The one in reply to
>> the OP was on topic for this group, accurate and very
>> helpful.[/color]
>
>"Free for £x a month" is accurate..? This must be a new definition of the
>word accurate of which I am unaware, please enlighten me.[/color]
I prefer £2/month for inclusive off peak geo UK calls.
....and, yes, I think voip.co.uk are good and reliable. They still
haven't sorted out the anomalies to my account, due to the the
software problem in March creating incorrect debits for calls , but
its cool because they did put up £10 to keep the account floating -
what'll happen at the 1 year 'anniversary', later this month, I have
yet to see.
Vyke.co.uk also appear to offer a good deal but the waters are
uncharted as far as this group is concerned.
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.

"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones explained on 11/11/2006 :[/color]

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> > "Free for £x a month" is accurate..? This must be a new
> > definition of the word accurate of which I am unaware,
> > please enlighten me. Ivor[/color]
>
> Perhaps "inclusive for £x month" would be better?[/color]

Exactly, you are 100% correct. The use of the word "free" is misleading at
best and deceptive at worst.

Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
> news:mn.5a8f7d6b8b1319f8.48968@blueyonder.invalid[color=green]
>> Ivor Jones explained on 11/11/2006 :[/color]
>
> [snip]
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>> > "Free for £x a month" is accurate..? This must be a new
>> > definition of the word accurate of which I am unaware,
>> > please enlighten me. Ivor[/color]
>>
>> Perhaps "inclusive for £x month" would be better?[/color]
>
> Exactly, you are 100% correct. The use of the word "free" is misleading at
> best and deceptive at worst.
>
> Ivor[/color]

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The calls are free. The standing charge is not.
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But hey, that's just my opinion and others have theirs. Just so long as the
OP finds the information, however it is expressed, helpful and understands
the meaning I guess.

Ivor Jones wrote:[color=blue]
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> I love it when people say "£1.99 a month for free calls" ;-)
>[/color]

Its not free. Its un-metered.

But its not really un-metered because of the 1 hour thing.

Tim

"Henry Hooray" <yri6tus02@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> Having had long hard looks at a number of offerings I am now more confused
> than ever.
>
> I'm looking for a reliable voip offering that can make (cheap!) and
> receive calls with the public telephone network, and also make and receive
> free calls over sip and voip from other voip providers.
>
> A geographic number in the south of the UK would be a great advantage!
>
> Any suggestions? - TIA.[/color]

Thanks everybody for their responses.

I asked voip.co.uk about calling and receiving calls from other VOIP users,
eg Sipgate, Vonage, VoipCheap etc etc, and got the following reply:

"You can make and receive calls from all these providers - but via
their 'phone numbers' as you would from 'BT' for example and not direct
voip - voip."

This would seem to mean that you cannot make (or receive) 'free' calls from
other voips? That doesn't sound very impressive to me, if I've understood
them correctly.

Henry.

PS On the subject of the concept of 'free', which seems to be hotly debated:
how Sky can advertise Free Broadband - and simultaneously state that you
need to pay for such and such a package, AND you have to pay a £40
connection fee!

"Henry Hooray" <yri6tus02@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Henry Hooray" <yri6tus02@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4rj9tgFrga69U1@mid.individual.net...[color=green]
>> Hi
>>
>> Having had long hard looks at a number of offerings I am now more
>> confused than ever.
>>
>> I'm looking for a reliable voip offering that can make (cheap!) and
>> receive calls with the public telephone network, and also make and
>> receive free calls over sip and voip from other voip providers.
>>
>> A geographic number in the south of the UK would be a great advantage!
>>
>> Any suggestions? - TIA.[/color]
>
> Thanks everybody for their responses.
>
> I asked voip.co.uk about calling and receiving calls from other VOIP
> users, eg Sipgate, Vonage, VoipCheap etc etc, and got the following reply:
>
> "You can make and receive calls from all these providers - but via
> their 'phone numbers' as you would from 'BT' for example and not direct
> voip - voip."
>
> This would seem to mean that you cannot make (or receive) 'free' calls
> from other voips? That doesn't sound very impressive to me, if I've
> understood them correctly.
>
> Henry.
>
> PS On the subject of the concept of 'free', which seems to be hotly
> debated: how Sky can advertise Free Broadband - and simultaneously state
> that you need to pay for such and such a package, AND you have to pay a
> £40 connection fee!
>
>
>[/color]
if you have a sipura ATA you can put in a dial plan to use sipbroker to call
voip users on other networks for free - you need to use their networks code
but you can look this up on the sipbroker site. I do this (and calls
starting 18 i.e. us toll free numbers go via fwd) - all other calls are sent
via voip.co.uk

On 2006-11-14, Henry Hooray <yri6tus02@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks everybody for their responses.
>
> I asked voip.co.uk about calling and receiving calls from other VOIP users,
> eg Sipgate, Vonage, VoipCheap etc etc, and got the following reply:
>
> "You can make and receive calls from all these providers - but via
> their 'phone numbers' as you would from 'BT' for example and not direct
> voip - voip."
>
> This would seem to mean that you cannot make (or receive) 'free' calls from
> other voips? That doesn't sound very impressive to me, if I've understood
> them correctly.[/color]

I have heard that voip.co.uk describe the facility to phone a user on
their network using [email]username@voip.co.uk[/email] as 'unsupported'. It might work
or it might not. I'd take that to mean it won't work.

Also, none of the three providers you mention accept a SIP URI from
outside their networks, although Sipgate is reported to have a special
arrangement with Gradwell and FWD.

So, as you say, not very impressive. But that's what you get with closed
networks. Inbound SIP-to-SIP calls are not blocked by all companies.
Gradwell, voipfone and voiptalk are among the open networks.

Brian.

On 2006-11-14, Roger <roger@rwbarrett.co.uk> wrote:
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> "Henry Hooray" <yri6tus02@sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Thanks everybody for their responses.
>>
>> I asked voip.co.uk about calling and receiving calls from other VOIP
>> users, eg Sipgate, Vonage, VoipCheap etc etc, and got the following reply:
>>
>> "You can make and receive calls from all these providers - but via
>> their 'phone numbers' as you would from 'BT' for example and not direct
>> voip - voip."
>>
>> This would seem to mean that you cannot make (or receive) 'free' calls
>> from other voips? That doesn't sound very impressive to me, if I've
>> understood them correctly.[/color][/color]

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> if you have a sipura ATA you can put in a dial plan to use sipbroker to call
> voip users on other networks for free - you need to use their networks code
> but you can look this up on the sipbroker site. I do this (and calls
> starting 18 i.e. us toll free numbers go via fwd) - all other calls are sent
> via voip.co.uk[/color]

Sipbroker can assist you to connect to users on open networks. Sipgate,
Vonage, VoipCheap and voip.co.uk are closed to incoming voip calls.

Brian.